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Re: Satanism 2K5 ~ The why's and what's [WARNING: PG - 15] Read at own risk
« Reply #20 on: August 25, 2005, 06:01:50 PM »
You are nuts you know. I thought the Charismatics were crazy but this takes the bscuit.
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Re: Satanism 2K5 ~ The why's and what's [WARNING: PG - 15] Read at own risk
« Reply #21 on: August 25, 2005, 06:04:58 PM »
You are nuts you know. I thought the Charismatics were crazy but this takes the bscuit.

Ssst, you don't want to be turned into a rabbit.

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Re: Satanism 2K5 ~ The why's and what's [WARNING: PG - 15] Read at own risk
« Reply #22 on: August 25, 2005, 06:05:18 PM »
LOL, the only thing nuts about the tesla coil stuff is how easily you can kill yourself.... no seriously

but right now im working on the necronomicon, im intent on contacting the ancient gods and being granted demonic status, in exchange for a world dedicated to their worship in my new world/ universal order.... and lots of sacrifices...
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Re: Satanism 2K5 ~ The why's and what's [WARNING: PG - 15] Read at own risk
« Reply #23 on: August 25, 2005, 06:07:33 PM »
Why Satan, go for Slaanesh, you might make it to daemon-prince (princess)

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Re: Satanism 2K5 ~ The why's and what's [WARNING: PG - 15] Read at own risk
« Reply #24 on: August 25, 2005, 06:10:35 PM »
because slaanesh is a fictional character made up by some sick perverts in nottingham ;)
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Re: Satanism 2K5 ~ The why's and what's [WARNING: PG - 15] Read at own risk
« Reply #25 on: August 25, 2005, 06:12:17 PM »
What types of magic are there and What can Magic do Azumi? :-\

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Re: Satanism 2K5 ~ The why's and what's [WARNING: PG - 15] Read at own risk
« Reply #26 on: August 25, 2005, 06:19:19 PM »
You are nuts you know. I thought the Charismatics were crazy but this takes the bscuit.

What about the crusades then, forcing religion upon others and killing those who opposed, how's that for crazy?

What types of magic are there and What can Magic do Azumi? :-\

Now there's a lot to be said about this, the text bellow are extracts. For more info go to this page: http://www.dpjs.co.uk/magic.html

"Ritual magic consists of the performance of a formal ceremony, taking place, at least in part, within the confines of an area set aside for such purposes and at a specific time. Its main function is to isolate the otherwise dissipated adrenal and other emotionally induced energy, and convert it into a dynamically transmittable force. It is purely an emotional, rather than intellectual, act. Any and all intellectual activity must take place before the ceremony, not during it. This type of magic is sometimes known as "GREATER MAGIC"."
Anton LaVey, The Satanic Bible, Book of Belial: 1

The best way you can understand the rituals is to read The Satanic Bible for yourself. Anton LaVey throughout the Bible provides the evidence that Satanism is much more than a mere philosophy; it is a way of life that includes dogmatic, emotional and ritualistic components that Humanism or philosophy does not and that only a religion can contain.

Satanism does not stop at the Humanist level of principal but takes further strides into the ritualistic, psychological and dogmatic principles that are necessary to fulfil the need in people for such things - things that other White Light religions previously provided: An easy way out and a set of no-brainer standard answers to questions that are most important in a Humans heart.

Vexen's Evil Leg graphicA Satanic Ritual is a period of emotion and release for those involved. It is a period of mental exercise and physical relaxation under circumstances where you simply go with the flow. Inner reflection and outward expression go hand in hand in some rituals, in order to facilitate the effective attaining of one's goals.

The Satanic Rituals are there for good reasons. First of all, science is not able to explain everything, some things are unknown, etc, and a Satanist is not deterred from divulging in supernatural experiments. Secondly, it is fantastic ceremony and the aim is to expand peoples minds, to allow them to break barriers and express themselves.

The most barriers we break, the more clearly we can see, so if you think being in a Satanic Ritual is embarrassing, that's a barrier that you could do without. It's group ego-boosting, it's the rejection of monotheism in a physical in-your-face manner and, basically, it's fun.
Ritual

There is a basic need in Man for ritual, dogma and Command-obedience, and the Rituals supply this. Unlike the rituals of other religions, the point is self expression, the weaning away of taboo's and mental barriers, rather than indoctrination, suppression or nurturing guilt complexes.

The rituals are mainly centered around the various Satanic Grotto's that litter the USA and it is recommended you join your nearest Grotto, even if you can't make it often, in order to see what goes on.

Other religions rituals, especially that of the Guilt-Driven ones like Christianity, Islam or Judaism, set up barriers, guilt complexes and mental apprehensions in order to further indoctrinate their subjects. What a farce they are, they do not recognize even the point of their own rituals! There is one word for this: Doublethink - the art of Christian theology is mentally blockading ones own intellect from the ritual arena!

The Satanic Rituals are the devious, diabolical and infernal inventions of intelligent minds whose aims are not, like the Right hand path religions, to create lies or distort the truth to fit the religion, but to help find the truth through psychologically advantageous and personally exhilarating dramas. This is Greater Magic and it utilizes powerful control over a persons mental state.

The rituals are aimed towards the individual, the Human Being, the being we like to think of as being most worthwhile on this planet. Personal rituals are our self worship and can be made up by the person in question, in private.

Intellectual Decompression Chamber

"The intellectual decompression chamber of the Satanic temple might be considered a training school for temporary ignorance, as are ALL religious services! The difference is that the Satanist KNOWS he is practising a form of contrived ignorance in order to expand his will, whereas another religionist doesn't - or if he does know he practices that form of self-deceit which forbids such recognition."
Anton LaVey, The Satanic Bible, Book of Belial p120

"The Intellectual Decompression Chamber is what I consider to be an element of ritual readiness. I would not use the word "ritually clean", but "ritually ready", but given that such a state in religions is hardly ever concerned with actual hygeine or cleanliness, perhaps 'readiness' is a more accurate term anyway. Anyway... as Satanism is concerned with practical results and not superstition, such things no doubt take a different twist in Satanism. Dogma, as an unthinking assumption, is abhorred by Satanists, who wish to remain fully in control. But this hedonistic refusal to conform and believe is a detriment to ritual events as it prevents suspension of disbelief.

So, the Intellectual Decompression Chamber open and closes Satanic rituals and is the area where the Satanist purposely enters a state of mind of 'willfully contrived ignorance', from where they are more attuned to the requirements of symbolic and ritual behavior."

This acknowledges the dogmatic nature of all religious ritual and at the same time justifies it by explaining the blatant honesty with which all Satanic rituals are performed. The Satanist goes into the rituals with both eyes open, there is no deceit, Lucifer is the bringer of Light, of enlightenment, and the Satanic Rituals are meditative, contemplative and self-influential.

#Lesser Magic
"Non-ritual or manipulative magic, sometimes called "LESSER MAGIC", consists of the wile and guile obtained through various devices and contrived situations, which when utilized, can create 'change, in accordance with one's will'"
Anton LaVey, The Satanic Bible, Book of Belial: 1


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   1. Subtle means of controlling people

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Subtle means of controlling people
Subtle body language & subconscious communication (i.e., reading 'in between the lines' when a person speaks) are forms of Lesser Magic. Day to day behaviour or specific roles you slip into are forms of lesser magic... the art of controlling people in the most subtle ways.

The 2nd Satanic Sin
"2. Pretentiousness. - - Empty posturing can be most irritating and isn't applying the cardinal rules of Lesser Magic"

An example of failure to use lesser magic is empty posturing, where you make yourself out to be something you are not, or cannot provide or do what you claim you can do. This irritating trait seems to be a sign of insecurity, and in most cases in very transparent and will have a negative affect on people's opinion of you. This trait in particular, a Psychic Vampire warning sign, will ensure you never fascinate anyone!

Curses or hexes
Curses are a form of Lesser Magic. So here are my thought on 'curses', because they're the most profound.

Recently a neophyte asked me how to rid herself of a curse, and I told her the best way was not to believe in it. Because when you believe you are 'cursed' you are instantly assuming the worst and actively looking for things to blame on the curse! It's all wrong... and in that mindset you are not at your best. Just thinking you are cursed (and believing it) is a curse in itself. So... one way to curse someone who believes in curses is to present a curse to them! And voila it might actually work, but not through any supernatural means, just working on them with plain paranoia!

Shad, a member of the London Satanists list, said:
"the easiest way to 'break' a curse as you put it, is just to not give it any power. By worrying constantly about it and blaming everything that goes wrong in your life on this little thing will only give it more power."

But, it is LaVey's belief that sometimes you can effect a more supernatural curse. It is not a necessary belief; and LaVey did anticipate that many would not share this belief. Most don't.
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Re: Satanism 2K5 ~ The why's and what's [WARNING: PG - 15] Read at own risk
« Reply #27 on: August 25, 2005, 06:30:28 PM »
You know, This is very interesting, it really is keeps me awake too

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« Reply #28 on: August 25, 2005, 06:48:01 PM »
You know, This is very interesting, it really is keeps me awake too

As I said to you before, you should think this though and above all read up on the satanic bible before making any decision, come age you'll be more mature and see things in a diffrent way. Just don't jump on the train because it looks cool.
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Re: Satanism 2K5 ~ The why's and what's [WARNING: PG - 15] Read at own risk
« Reply #29 on: August 25, 2005, 06:54:05 PM »
Azumi, do you even play 40k or fantasy? or do you just hang out on the forums in the discussion board all the time?????
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Re: Satanism 2K5 ~ The why's and what's [WARNING: PG - 15] Read at own risk
« Reply #30 on: August 25, 2005, 06:55:22 PM »
Azumi, do you even play 40k or fantasy? or do you just hang out on the forums in the discussion board all the time?????

Now that's OT...but yeah I play 40k, done so for 10 years almost
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« Reply #31 on: August 25, 2005, 06:56:44 PM »
OT???? wassat mean??
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Re: Satanism 2K5 ~ The why's and what's [WARNING: PG - 15] Read at own risk
« Reply #32 on: August 25, 2005, 07:00:28 PM »
off-topic.
Now lets give that a rest, for future reffernce just send me a PM if you wanna know something about me.
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« Reply #33 on: August 25, 2005, 07:02:56 PM »
ok, ok, sheesh, just curious.......

ANYWAY, i think this thread is kinda dying out, better do something quick to revive it azumi...
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« Reply #34 on: August 25, 2005, 07:15:24 PM »
In reply to those of you who are intrested but still young of age, read this:

Church of Satan Youth Communiqué
Due to the ever-increasing amount of mail that we have received from young people who are new to Satanism, we feel the time has come to put together some information to help answer your specific questions and concerns.

If you have read our books, you know that Satanism isn’t about taking drugs, and it isn’t about harming animals or children. Unlike many religions and philosophies, Satanism respects and exalts life. Children and animals are the purest expressions of that life force, and as such are held sacred and precious in the eyes of the Satanist. Besides, it is very un-Satanic to take any creature’s life against its will. It is equally un-Satanic to cloud your brain and impair your judgment with mind-altering substances. A real magician has no need of those kinds of things, as he should be able to bring about changes in consciousness by the very power of his Will and imagination.

If you have not yet read The Satanic Bible, you should do so. It has a lot more information on our attitude toward Satan, and will give you a clearer idea of our philosophy, ideals and goals. Perhaps at first they will be difficult for you to understand, because you may have been raised in an environment that dictates that God=Good and Satan=Evil. The truth is that good and evil are often terms that people twist to suit their own purposes. Sometimes people will lie and try to make you think certain things just so you will do what they want you to do. Always remember that the final judgment is yours. That is both a great freedom and a great responsibility. For us, Satan is a symbol of the power of that choice.

There is no one way that a Satanist is “supposed” to be. Uniqueness and creativity are encouraged here, not mindless conformity. It doesn’t matter what kind of music you like to listen to; it doesn’t make any difference whether you prefer gothic music, black metal music, classical music, old popular tunes, or show tunes. It doesn’t matter what style of clothes you like to wear. What does matter is that you are a mature, sensitive, self-aware individualist who revels in the Darkness, and who wishes to align yourself with others who share your views. In this world of prefabricated, media-saturated, unoriginal drones, it is up to the Satanist to cherish, maintain, and preserve true individuality and creativity. Satan represents freedom from hypocrisy, from convenient lies, and challenges that which is presumed to be true. He is strong and defiant, and inspires us to our own strengths.

That said, let’s address some of your most commonly asked questions:

“How old do I have to be to join the Church of Satan?”
You may become a member of the Church of Satan at any age, though further participation in the organization is limited to those who are eighteen years of age or older. This is not meant as a judgment of your maturity; we’ve received letters from 14-year-olds who had a distinct, mature grasp of Satanism. But we must be realistic about the world around us. One reason is that we don’t want to become a haven for the kind of sanctimonious perverts that Christian churches and other “Goodguy Badge” forums (such as Big Brother/Big Sister, Boy Scouts, etc.) often are. There are a lot of sick people out there, and we don’t want our vital young Satanists to become victims of twisted adults who are more interested in contacting young kids than they are in practicing Satanism.

Another reason is because your parents or other adults in your life may not understand or might be hostile toward your exploration of this religion. They may try to cause trouble for us, falsely accusing us of any number of things, just because they feel threatened. So, we simply cannot allow anyone under the legal age of consent to participate in any activities directly sponsored by the Church of Satan. The only exception to this rule would be with the written permission and attendance of your parent or legal guardian. Some of you may be lucky enough to have a very good relationship with your parents and they may be supportive, even enthusiastic, about your exploration of the Dark Side. They may be willing to go with you to meet a local Grotto Master and decide on your level of participation at this point in your magical development. If this is the case, let us know.

“Do I have to become a member to be a ‘real’ Satanist?”
All you have to do to be a real Satanist is start living like one. Dr. LaVey wrote The Satanic Bible so that people could pick up a copy, read it, and know everything they need to know about Satanism and how to put it to work in their own lives. Most people who choose to become members do so as a symbolic act to themselves, to formally align themselves with others of like mind, and to show their support for a philosophy and way of life they agree with. It is a purely personal decision—we don’t solicit memberships. But actual membership usually conveys to others that you are serious about your beliefs, and that you know enough about it to have read Dr. LaVey’s works and align yourself with his spearhead organization. It usually grants you a certain amount of respect as an authority. If you were going to speak as a member of the Church in a public forum, you should actually be one. If you were going to start a grotto affiliated with the Church of Satan, you’d have to be a member (again, you’d have to be over the age of eighteen). But as far as benefiting from Satanism in your life, or defending true Satanism, those are the rights and responsibilities of every Satanist, “official” or not.

“My parents and friends don’t understand me, and don’t approve of my interest in Satanism. How can I make them accept my beliefs, and where can I go to perform my rituals?”
Unfortunately, most young Satanists face this problem. Few of us are lucky enough to have sympathetic parents, or others around like ourselves. However, as long as you are living under your parents’ roof and they are feeding and taking care of you, you do owe them a degree of consideration. Offer to let them read your books, and talk about what misunderstandings they may have from T.V. talk shows and Christian propaganda. But you can’t force anyone to understand what, for you, is an obvious and magical revelation. If Satanism offends others who have necessary control over your life right now, do your studies and rituals in private. If you don’t have a place at home where you can be alone, find a special spot on the beach, in a field, or in the woods where you can ritualize when you need to. While you are understandably enthusiastic about your new-found religion, it is not very Satanic to make yourself miserable by creating a problem with your parents when you have to live in the same house together, or at school where your real goal may be to aggravate those in authority in the guise of “expressing your individuality.”

Practice Lesser Magic.
Remember that a competent Satanic magician should be able to size up any situation and weigh his choices of action to bring about desired results. Enthusiasm is certainly encouraged and appreciated, however Satanism asks no one to be a martyr. And keep in mind that most people simply aren’t going to understand because, ultimately, they don’t want to. That is as it should be. Satanism is not for everyone. Satan, by his very nature, walks alone. He is the true individualist, the outcast. This doesn’t mean that you cannot care about those who are close to you; Satan also represents love, kindness and respect to those who deserve it. It just means that you should not concern yourself with people who do not approve of you. Revel in your uniqueness; be proud of who and what you are. Achieve all you can with the strength and determination of Satan himself coursing proudly through your veins. When Satanism leads to positive changes in your accomplishments and attitude, your parents and other adults around you will notice. The best way you can represent Satanism is by providing a living example of how the diabolical arts have made you a stronger, more focused person. The results will speak louder than any logical argument you can present.

“Is it better to study and ritualize alone, or to work with others?”
Unless you are able to find others who are as knowledgeable about Satanism as you are, it is better to work alone. If you do choose to ritualize with others, you must make certain that they are 100% clear on what Satanism is all about. If they are into it just out of curiosity or for thrills, they’ll get their thrills all right—the wrong kind! Many young Satanists find they have one close, magical friend who they feel they can work with, but usually one of you is actually magically stronger and more sincere, and chances are that’s you, since you’re the one who has gone through the trouble of actually contacting the Church of Satan. It’s often best for you to work and study alone, guided by the material in our literature, rather than have your magic and concentration diluted by would-be friends. As the saying goes, a chain is only as strong as its weakest link. What that means in this case is that if you perform rituals with others who are not as serious and dedicated as you are, they will hinder your magic, not strengthen it. Many adult Satanists work and study alone by choice. Finding a true magical partner can be stimulating and rewarding, but if you need such a person in your magical progression, you’ll conjure one up (see Herman Hesse’s Demian or Illusions by Richard Bach).

Don’t be disturbed or frightened or think you’re crazy when you feel contacted by the Dark Ones you conjure forth, or by the magical results you begin to produce. You’re not crazy for feeling the way you do about the hypocrisy, blindness and incompetence you see all around you. Nor are you crazy to see the results of your Black Magic. Approach the Dark Masters with the proper degree of respect and decorum—that’s what rituals are for, to establish a relationship. If you approach the demons respectfully, they will reward you with knowledge, guidance, and success. Your demon guide is within you—don’t look for it outside. You just have to contact that part of yourself and listen to it. That is the most important work anyone can do.

“Do I need all the things mentioned in The Satanic Bible to do my rituals?”
You don’t need everything mentioned in Dr. LaVey’s books to do an effective ritual. Maybe you don’t have the money to obtain, or the private space to store, items such as swords, chalices, black robes, gongs and elaborate altars. Here is a powerful ritual you can perform tonight, and all you need is a quiet place where you can be alone, a Baphomet either on your person or in front of you, and a single black candle:

Light the candle and set it before you. Sit up straight, breathe deeply and relax. Clear your mind of all outside thoughts. As you gaze at the flame, say in your mind or out loud, “I am ready, oh, Dark Lord. I feel your strength within me and wish to honor you in my life. I am one of the Devil’s Own. Hail Satan!” Open your mind. It will take time. You may think you are ready, but you may still find you cannot let go right away. Concentrate on your image of Satan and on the word “strength” and listen to what comes up from yourself. You have answers for yourself that no one else can give you. This is a simple way of conjuring Satan into your life. He’ll snap you into line and tell you what you have to do to be happy, strong and focused—and he’ll give you the stamina and courage to push yourself to do it. The path you’ve chosen won’t be easy; sometimes it may be a nightmare. But when you are ready to face the challenge, it will be there.
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Re: Satanism 2K5 ~ The why's and what's [WARNING: PG - 15] Read at own risk
« Reply #35 on: August 25, 2005, 08:34:39 PM »
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What about the crusades then, forcing religion upon others and killing those who opposed, how's that for crazy?

No, that's insane. Important difference. I may not like your religion but it's better than false christianity at least.
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Re: Satanism 2K5 ~ The why's and what's [WARNING: PG - 15] Read at own risk
« Reply #36 on: August 25, 2005, 08:45:09 PM »
It's simply the thought of the late Fredrick Nietzsche institutionalised into a functional religion. I think old Nietzsche would be very, very pissed. It's not even a religion anyway, it's more a philosophy. This is what you get when you listen to a man like Anton Le'Vey, a failed circus organist.

Besides, the name 'Satanist' is very misleading, as has alreayd been said. There are genunine Satanists (as in, those who worship Lucifer, or whatever name you wish to give him) around the place, however I wouldn't trust anyone in the west who claims to worship Lucifer. Chances are they're just a bunch of stupid teenagers who have watched hellraiser one too many times.

Also, for the record, most 'magic' (don't you dare call it 'magick') is fictional crap made up by some publisher/writer at some point in time. 99% of the rest of it is simply bastardised versions of pre-Christian rituals. I also would doubt the validity of most translations, so in order to perform the genuine magic you would have to be literate in multiple most likely dead languages, for instance latin and aramaic (that's not spelt correctly is it?). Plus thousands of years tends to disort anything from fairy tales to religious texts.

However, as I've said multiple times before on this board, I couldn't care less what religion, philosophy or idea you wish to follow. Call yourself a Satanist, chant, wear black robes and light candles to your hearts content. I doubt Lucifer is in the least bit impressed. You have free will, use it how you will.
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Re: Satanism 2K5 ~ The why's and what's [WARNING: PG - 15] Read at own risk
« Reply #37 on: August 25, 2005, 09:14:31 PM »
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I don't think so, one must not worship the dark lord to qualify as a genuine satanist. Satanism is basically what you make of it. Have you even bothered to read the satanic bible? Sure, LaVey's sayings aren't all justified but then again, what religious writings are?

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It's not even a religion anyway, it's more a philosophy

Religion
sometimes used interchangeably with faith or belief system—is commonly defined as belief concerning the supernatural, sacred, or divine, and the moral codes, practices, values, and institutions associated with such belief . So yeah, I would call satanism a religion.

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Also, for the record, most 'magic' (don't you dare call it 'magick') is fictional crap made up by some publisher/writer at some point in time

#Theories of magic
In an age where the existence of magical forces is no longer taken for granted, believers in magic are likely to be asked, "How does magic work?"

A survey of writings by believers in magic shows that adherents believe that it may work by one or more of these basic principles:

Natural forces that cannot be detected by science at present, and in fact may not be detectable at all. These magical forces are said to exist in addition to and alongside the four fundamental forces of nature: gravity, electromagnetism, the strong nuclear force and the weak nuclear force.

 Intervention of spirits similar to these hypothetical natural forces, but with their own consciousness and intelligence. Believers in spirits will often see a whole cosmos of beings of many different kinds, sometimes organized into a hierarchy.

A mystical power, such as mana, that exists in all things. This power is often said to be dangerous to people.

A mysterious interconnection in the cosmos that connects and binds all things, above and beyond the natural forces.

Manipulation of symbols. Adherents of magical thinking believe that symbols can be used for more than representation: they can magically take on a physical quality of the phenomenon or object that they represent. By manipulating symbols (as well as sigils), one is said to be able to manipulate the reality that this symbol represents.

The principles of sympathetic magic of Sir James George Frazer, explicated in his The Golden Bough (third edition, 1911-1915). These principles include the "law of similarity" and the "law of contact" or "contagion." These are systematized versions of the manipulation of symbols. Frazer defined them this way:

If we analyse the principles of thought on which magic is based, they will probably be found to resolve themselves into two: first, that like produces like, or that an effect resembles its cause; and, second, that things which have once been in contact with each other continue to act on each other at a distance after the physical contact has been severed. The former principle may be called the Law of Similarity, the latter the Law of Contact or Contagion. From the first of these principles, namely the Law of Similarity, the magician infers that he can produce any effect he desires merely by imitating it: from the second he infers that whatever he does to a material object will affect equally the person with whom the object was once in contact, whether it formed part of his body or not. [1]

Concentration or meditation. A certain amount of restricting the mind to some imagined object (or will), according to Aleister Crowley, produces mystical attainment or "an occurrence in the brain characterized essentially by the uniting of subject and object." (Book Four, Part 1: Mysticism) Magick, as defined previously, seeks to aid concentration by constantly recalling the attention to the chosen object (or Will), thereby producing said attainment. For example, if one wishes to concentrate on a God, one might memorize a system of correspondences (perhaps chosen arbitrarily, as this would not affect its usefulness for mystical purposes) and then make every object that one sees "correspond" to said God.

Aleister Crowley wrote that ". . . the exaltation of the mind by means of magical practices leads (as one may say, in spite of itself) to the same results as occur in straightforward Yoga." Crowley's magick thus becomes a form of mental, mystical, or spiritual discipline, designed to train the mind to achieve greater concentration. Crowley also made claims for the paranormal effects of magick, suggesting a connection with the first principle in this list. However, he defined any attempt to use this power for a purpose other than aiding mental or mystical attainment as "black magic".

The magical power of the subconscious mind. To believers who think they need to convince their subconscious mind to make the changes they want, all spirits and energies are projections and symbols that make sense to the subconscious. A variant of this belief is that the subconscious is capable of contacting spirits, who in turn can work magic.

Many more theories exist. Practitioners will often mix these concepts, and sometimes even invent some themselves. In the contemporary current of chaos magic in particular, it is not unusual to believe any concept of magic works.

#Magical practices and spell
The basic mechanism of magical practices is the spell, a spoken or written ritualistic formula that might be used in conjunction with a particular set of ingredients. If a spell is properly executed and fails to work, then the spell is likely a fraud. However, in most instances, the failure of a spell to bring about the desired effect can be attributed to the failure of the person executing the spell to follow the magic formula exactly.

Generally speaking, there are two types of magic: contagious magic and sympathetic magic. Contagious magic involves the use of physical ingredients which were once in contact with the object or objects one hopes to influence with a spell. Sympathetic magic involves the use of physical objects which resemble the object or objects one hopes to influence; the Voodoo dolls of "New Orleans Voodoo" are an example of this.

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However, as I've said multiple times before on this board, I couldn't care less what religion, philosophy or idea you wish to follow. Call yourself a Satanist, chant, wear black robes and light candles to your hearts content. I doubt Lucifer is in the least bit impressed. You have free will, use it how you will.

Definition of LaVeyan Satanism
This type of Satanism is based on the philosophy of Anton LaVey as outlined in The Satanic Bible and other works. LaVey was the founder of the Church of Satan. Philosophically, it could be described as influenced by the writings of Aleister Crowley, Friedrich Nietzsche, Ayn Rand, Marquis De Sade, Jack London, Wyndham Lewis, Charles Darwin, Ambrose Bierce, Mark Twain and several others; "Satan" is appropriated as a positive symbol of this worldview, and is not considered to exist in a literal fashion.

A Satanist views themselves as his or her own god; the Satanic rituals are quite similar Crowley's magick, with an eye towards furthering the Satanist's ends. The LaVeyan Satanist maintains that those who find themselves naturally aligned with Satanism should not adhere to herd mentality and assume there is something ethically wrong with them, but should instead adopt an individualistic attitude, and consequently should strive constantly to stand head-and-shoulders above the so-called moral majority, and as much as possible to exploit their misguided altruism and good will.


So no, we don't really care if lucifer is impressed or not
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Re: Satanism 2K5 ~ The why's and what's [WARNING: PG - 15] Read at own risk
« Reply #38 on: August 25, 2005, 10:01:59 PM »
I knew that Satanism wasn't what it is shown to be(usually), and I agree with most of this(been looking around the site) though I really do not believe in, nor do I like 'magic'..never liked it, never will...always believed in Physical change, and strength along with thought to solve problems and all that fun stuff.

I'm not saying I am jumping onto any bandwagons or impulses...I shall merely look into this and read...learning can never hurt anyone, and I cannot stand stupidity myself.

Thanks for giving me somethign to look up and learn about.

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« Reply #39 on: August 25, 2005, 10:03:40 PM »
Sorry Azumi, I'm going to have to attack your relgion out of the idea that I was once a Satanist myself and it lead to nothing but my own self destruction. 

The basic fundamentals are the following:

The nine Satanic statements

1. Satan represents indulgence instead of abstinence!
Tried that, now I'm a single parent who, if it wasn't for God, would have killed myself when my kid was only a year old.  Finding out the mother of your son doesn't care for him, hurts.  There's a lot of logic to keeping it in your pants till your married.
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2. Satan represents vital existence instead of spiritual pipe dreams!
What?  Its a pipe dream to live your life as a nice person? Can you explain this to me?
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3. Satan represents undefiled wisdom instead of hypocritical self-deceit!
'Undefiled Wisdom'?  Could you give me an example?  Most of the teachings in the bible make a person go "Wow, that makes way too much sense to ignore" if they would actually sit and read it.
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4. Satan represents kindness to those who deserve it, instead of love wasted on ingrates!
That's rather harsh don't you think?  I mean how would you feel if someone thought you didn't deserve something even though you did?  Wouldn't it be common sense to help those most in need?
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5. Satan represents vengeance instead of turning the other cheek!
Two wrongs don't make a right.  That's common sense.  In the bible revenge is left to God because he can cause more havoc on someone's life then anyone on earth could.
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6. Satan represents responsibility to the responsible instead of concern for psychic vampires!
....I have no idea what to say about his one......
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7. Satan represents man as just another animal, sometimes better, more often worse than those that walk on all-fours, who, because of his “divine spiritual and intellectual development,” has become the most vicious animal of all!
I'll admit that this does make sense.
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8. Satan represents all of the so-called sins, as they all lead to physical, mental, or emotional gratification!
So if someone breaks into your house, kills and rapes your wife and takes your TV your first thought is, "Boy, I wish I could have that much fun!"!?!?!?!?  What?
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9. Satan has been the best friend the Church has ever had, as He has kept it in business all these years!

And Garbage keeps Garbagemen busy, and criminals keep Cops on the streets.... what's your point?

I'm going to apologize again.  I don't like attacking other religions like this, I'm suppost to be humble.  But since I've lived the life of a Satanist for the longest time, I know that nothing good will come of it in this life or the next.  If I can save someone from destroying themselves, just one person, I would be willing to get a bad rep on this site.

 


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