Rummy: I have re-written my post, and believe I have managed to call out FMG for statements, without delving into personal matters.
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I got about halfway through a long, point by point response, but it just doesn't matter. Everytime I respond, FMG changes his story.
Look, I get it. You really like socialism. You really think US citizen are asshats that don't care about anyone else. You really hate just about everything the US does, and how they do it. I get it. We suck, you rock. Okay.
You want to discuss FEMA, and how you *think* they are a private organization, start a new thread.
You want to discuss how you *think* the US and India are exactly the same, start a new thread.
You want to discuss how the US welfare system isn't *really* welfare, start a new thread.
If you *really* think there is no way for a poor US student to go to college, start a new thread.
If you really think all the "so called doctors" in the US are "Callous", start a new thread.
If you really think the US has no drug rehab/community outreach/etc programs, start a new thread.
If you really think the US school system sucks, start a new thread.
If you really think the US doesn't support charity, I have already started a new thread, feel free to join it.
If you really think "Socialism is a charity", then please start a new thread.
I mean it, I would *love* for you to start some new threads, because I think you are full of crap on all of these, and would love a chance to prove it. But I don't want to assist you in your attempts to derail this from a gun control issue to a "FMG love socialism and hates the US" thread.
As for the Gun control issues....
No because the Gun Ban has to come with certain other changes. For example better living wages and so on.
I get it, you think socialism will solve the problems. Okay. Now, do you have anything to indicate that a gun ban will help solve the problems. If socialism will mostly stop the crime problem, then we can have socialism *and* guns.
So please, answer the question.
Do you have any evidence that a *gun ban* will help?
Do you have Volcano Insurance? Honestly how many crazy home invasions for the purpose of rape and murder happen?
No, but I am *allowed* to have volcano insurance. I am allowed to judge for myself if volcano insurance is a good idea or not.
And as we have seen, assaults, rapes, burglaries, etc are not totally unheard of. It is not a 'Baghdad war zone', and I can make it to the corner store without a kevlar vest and air cover. But I can also do it safely with a concealed weapon. And on the rare, but possible, chance that something does happen, I can help defend and protect myself and others.
You are not able, nor willing, to guarantee bad things won't happen. the police are not able, nor willing, to guarantee bad things won't happen. The police are not able, nor willing, to guaranteed they can even respond in time to help, let alone prevent anything.
So I want the right to be able to help, and prevent bad things from happening.
I would want that right in a socialist country also.
Yes. Because see people never think they are going to be sick. Do you have a sickness fund? Is it say big enough to afford dialysis for years? Thought not. Most poor people have no access to those things.
We are discussing criminals remember. So, it is your assertion that a decent percentage of criminals are created because they can't afford it when they get sick? Really?
While this *may* happen, I see nothing to support it being a major factor.
Now, I want to address a few things you have said. I have addressed them previously, but you seem to keep glossing over them. I want to see if you have the guts to deal with these.
1) You said "There are around 200,000 non fatal shootings in the USA by ACCIDENT per year." Your own link doesn't support that. Do you still stand by this assertion?
2) You said "Your accidental death rate due to guns is higher than the actual MURDER rates of a fair few countries"
It has been shown that it is only higher than *1* country. Do you still stand by this assertion?
3) You said "These are gun injuries caused by legal guns in private hands. So no cops (who I am against arming), no military and no illegal weapon injuries." Now, aside from the number being way off. You have not presented any supporting evidence that the (incorrect) number is as you claim. Do you still stand by your assertion?
4) When asked to present a case of a legal gun owner and a crime of passion, you said "Virginia Tech for example... The shootings at Columbine were carried out with legal guns? Most high profile rampages." It has been shown that the guns were not legally obtained. Do you still stand by your assertion?
5)You said "
Name one thing the US has done to outreach to the people who commit crimes the most? The poor and the people who are addicted to drugs? It does not." (emphasis mine) While I did not provide the link, I showed you how you could easily get the information. (Or do you need me to link to the google searches for 'community outreach" and "drug rehab") Do you still stand by your assertions?
6) When discussing US citizens, you said "The average joe thinks guns will keep him safe so they
don't care about their fellow man." (emphasis mine) I have shown that US citizens are many times more likely to volunteer time for charity work, and will donate *much* more money (even ignoring the 63% of donations that go to religious organizations.). So, do you still stand by your assertion that the average american doesn't care about their fellow man?
Now, these are just the ones that have been shown to be false. I haven't even gotten into the claims you make with no supporting evidence
Do you know how easy it is to make a mistake with a gun?
the difference between civilian and criminal with a gun is non existent.
the average US citizen deals with their problems with violence.(one of my favorites)
Good luck watching a handful of people with carry permits try and take down a criminal. More than likely you are going to get people shooting at each other AND/OR making a situation worse.
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