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Re: The Big Bad Wolf: Who's the toughest CC unit?
« Reply #20 on: May 6, 2006, 06:46:24 PM »
What about a Dire avenger exarch with defend and a diresword ? hehehe hit on a 6.

Or some of the harlequins... solitaire with domino field  anyone ?

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Re: The Big Bad Wolf: Who's the toughest CC unit?
« Reply #21 on: May 6, 2006, 06:48:53 PM »
Nightbringer?

Pariahs?

... I dont know, too many options, it all depends.
See i like the pariahs here as they will kill alot when they attack.I mean warsythes my pretties they will kill all that gets in their way.Tanks good by.Wyches lose all special stuff execpt the drugs.
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Re: The Big Bad Wolf: Who's the toughest CC unit?
« Reply #22 on: May 6, 2006, 06:49:26 PM »
I was suprised no one mentioned the Solitaire till now. Domino Field plus the Harlequin's kiss. Either that or the power blade to ignore armour and add +1 to attack...

Nightbringer?

Pariahs?

... I dont know, too many options, it all depends.
See i like the pariahs here as they will kill alot when they attack.I mean warsythes my pretties they will kill all that gets in their way.Tanks good by.Wyches lose all special stuff execpt the drugs.

I don't know what your talking about, all Wyches loose is the 4++...

Wyches still half the WS and prevents you from getting attacks. Also our succubus can wound you on a 4+ flat with 3 to 4 attacks.
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Re: The Big Bad Wolf: Who's the toughest CC unit?
« Reply #23 on: May 6, 2006, 06:50:26 PM »
They can be really good but against a unit they will usually die.Now if included in the hq part they will one most things.
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Re: The Big Bad Wolf: Who's the toughest CC unit?
« Reply #24 on: May 6, 2006, 06:55:55 PM »
I was suprised no one mentioned the Solitaire till now. Domino Field plus the Harlequin's kiss. Either that or the power blade to ignore armour and add +1 to attack...



I've personally never found the solitare to be very good. I Charge him into a squad, he kills like two, then gets killed...thats it..I've always prefered more DJ's.
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Re: The Big Bad Wolf: Who's the toughest CC unit?
« Reply #25 on: May 6, 2006, 06:59:44 PM »
Wyches followed closely by big units of Slugga Boyz for me. 

Wyches are cheap and effective.  Wych weapons, blasters and the ability to take a Succubus toting an Agoniser as well as Combat Drugs make them my top pick every time.

Slugga Boyz are a close second though for being very cheap and incredibly effective.
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Re: The Big Bad Wolf: Who's the toughest CC unit?
« Reply #26 on: May 6, 2006, 07:03:30 PM »
Hi all

I think on a point for point basis the orks come out ahead. I'v often heard the opponent say "what do you mean 80 attacks?" The best units would defnitely be the Skarboys and the Cyborks.

Another devasting CC unit is a Lightning Claw Terminator Assault squad with a Chaplain. Reroll attacks then re roll wounds then no armour save
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Re: The Big Bad Wolf: Who's the toughest CC unit?
« Reply #27 on: May 6, 2006, 07:47:42 PM »
I feel sorry for Tau and Imperial Guard, they seem to be out of this discussion...

Not so, ogryns are incredible, for 25pts a model you get a 3 wound, 3 attack, stength 5 space marine.
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Re: The Big Bad Wolf: Who's the toughest CC unit?
« Reply #28 on: May 6, 2006, 08:20:00 PM »
Ok here are my pick for best CC units so far in the game:

1. Genestealers: Can face up agaiest the best of them, and are good for there price
2. Khorne Berzerkers: i Love watching
3. Chaos Dreadie in Blood Frenzy

Yes it does all depend on what your faceing...

I heard about Khorne Berzerkers, never heard about Dreadie (dreadnaught?). Even Tyranid player knows that Wyches own Genestealers.

Wyches own pretty much every CC Specialist in the game, it's one of their primary purposes. Genestealers canm go toe-to-toe with almost anything and still do excellently in CC, they have a versatility Wyches lack.

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Re: The Big Bad Wolf: Who's the toughest CC unit?
« Reply #29 on: May 6, 2006, 08:23:02 PM »
Ok here are my pick for best CC units so far in the game:

1. Genestealers: Can face up agaiest the best of them, and are good for there price
2. Khorne Berzerkers: i Love watching
3. Chaos Dreadie in Blood Frenzy

Yes it does all depend on what your faceing...


I heard about Khorne Berzerkers, never heard about Dreadie (dreadnaught?). Even Tyranid player knows that Wyches own Genestealers.

Wyches own pretty much every CC Specialist in the game, it's one of their primary purposes. Genestealers canm go toe-to-toe with almost anything and still do excellently in CC, they have a versatility Wyches lack.

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Wyches were probably my fourth pick, I don't have much experience vs wyches but have heard stories.

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Re: The Big Bad Wolf: Who's the toughest CC unit?
« Reply #30 on: May 6, 2006, 08:37:24 PM »
I was suprised no one mentioned the Solitaire till now. Domino Field plus the Harlequin's kiss. Either that or the power blade to ignore armour and add +1 to attack...

Nightbringer?

Pariahs?

... I dont know, too many options, it all depends.
See i like the pariahs here as they will kill alot when they attack.I mean warsythes my pretties they will kill all that gets in their way.Tanks good by.Wyches lose all special stuff execpt the drugs.

I don't know what your talking about, all Wyches loose is the 4++...

Wyches still half the WS and prevents you from getting attacks. Also our succubus can wound you on a 4+ flat with 3 to 4 attacks.
Okay i forgot about the whole ws thing.They lose the two weapon nullifier.But still the pariahs are more resinlent and they only need to win one combat.
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Re: The Big Bad Wolf: Who's the toughest CC unit?
« Reply #31 on: May 6, 2006, 08:39:09 PM »
True, but that's why we have incubis. Wyches are awesome but they aren't an end all. Incubis can deliever 3 power weapon each on the charge. They come standard and in LARGE groups.

Modify: Okay, so the last statement is a lie. We don't come in large groups but still VERY effective.
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Re: The Big Bad Wolf: Who's the toughest CC unit?
« Reply #32 on: May 6, 2006, 08:41:46 PM »
Yes but one turn were your guys screw up and lose a combat the pariahs will most likely make you run as they make you ld7 and then even if they do not catch you they still have the guns.I think the only reason necron players don't play with pariahs is because of the no necron rules thing so they do not stand back up.
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Re: The Big Bad Wolf: Who's the toughest CC unit?
« Reply #33 on: May 6, 2006, 08:47:52 PM »
Does no-one even care about how ridiculously good Ogryns are?! :o
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Re: The Big Bad Wolf: Who's the toughest CC unit?
« Reply #34 on: May 6, 2006, 08:50:04 PM »
Does no-one even care about how ridiculously good Ogryns are?! :o
They are good but rough riders are better for the job.Ogryns are meant to stall and that is just not all that good.Were rough riders can usually kill most things on the charge.
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Re: The Big Bad Wolf: Who's the toughest CC unit?
« Reply #35 on: May 6, 2006, 08:51:53 PM »
Meant to stall! MEANT TO STALL!!!
THEY ARE MEANT TO PUMMLE THINGS INTO THE GROUND! AND THEY DO A BLOODY GOOD JOB OF IT!!!
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Re: The Big Bad Wolf: Who's the toughest CC unit?
« Reply #36 on: May 6, 2006, 09:06:48 PM »
Well the whole no power weapons thing.They may be strong and have alot of wounds and attacks but a banshee charge will kill them.Trust me i play guard the rough riders are usually better in assault unless facing nids.
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Re: The Big Bad Wolf: Who's the toughest CC unit?
« Reply #37 on: May 6, 2006, 09:10:47 PM »
Dark Eldar Wyches. They are the best assault unit, point for point. They nerf the assault power of opponents while being potent in their own right. Only those rare units with cc weapons that ignore Invulnerable saves are a danger. And let's face it, the only one that is remotely common is the Callidus Assassin. Pariahs I've only seen used once, and the Nightbringer is not only rare but extremely hard for any assault unit to deal with.

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Re: The Big Bad Wolf: Who's the toughest CC unit?
« Reply #38 on: May 6, 2006, 10:03:45 PM »
And watch out for most of the inquisition stuff... they allow no invulnerable save either...

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Re: The Big Bad Wolf: Who's the toughest CC unit?
« Reply #39 on: May 6, 2006, 10:07:01 PM »
You mean Witch Hunters?
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