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The Armies of 40k => Imperial Forces => Topic started by: Lord of Winter and War on January 5, 2018, 06:09:47 PM
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I've seen a leak of the new custodian guard plastic terminators. Looks like they'll be announced tomorrow. I am terribly excited!
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That's a terrific surprise. I thought that there was an outside chance of the Custodes getting an expanded roster at some stage, but I figured it would be a bit of kit here and there, maybe an upgrade sprue and a couple of characters. To get whole new units is helluva cool.
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Plastic...
Custodian...
TERMINATORS?!?!?!?!
Damn it, man! I need to change my pants now!
Edit: Having seen the leaked image... yeah... I'm good for, like, a week now lol
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New Year, New Armies and More: Reveals from the New Year?s Open Day - Warhammer (https://www.warhammer-community.com/2018/01/06/new-year-new-armies-reveals-new-years-open-day/)
Oh yes. Plastic jetbikes. This is the best news ever. And here I was thinking I finished my custodes army.
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Oh yes. Plastic jetbikes. This is the best news ever. And here I was thinking I finished my custodes army.
I think you may be out of luck there:
Finally, if you’ve already got a sizeable collection of Forge World Legio Custodes, rules are on their way for you to use your favourite units in Warhammer 40,000, in addition to the huge range of new plastic kits.
Sounds to me that there will be new plastic kits available (Such as the Terminators), while existing FW units just get 40k rules.
It doesn't explicitly say they won't get plastic replacements though.
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I don't know about that. In previous previews, they have never done a video showcasing FW units. So I think it is safe to say that what we saw is the units that will be available from the codex.
Edit: I was on the 40k Facebook page, and they have confirmed there that the bikes are plastic. So definitely not forgeworld.
After a few days of lead-up, we now have our answer to what GW's big announcement for is Codex: Adeptus Custodes (https://www.warhammer-community.com/2018/01/06/new-year-new-armies-reveals-new-years-open-day/).
Honestly I'm a little let-down by this. Yay, more Space Marines...? I mean, the models look nice, and I may grab some as a secondary detachment for another Imperial army. But I was really hoping they'd at least try to get the rest of the Imperial/Xenos/Chaos books out before adding yet more new factions. How about Adeptus Sororitas ever? Or how about Orks and Tau?
What does everyone else think? Excited for the Gold-is-the-New-Black space marines?
Adeptus Custodes are not Space Marines. Yeah, they are Imperium, but their play style is so vastly different from any of the Space Marine chapters. And with the units they are adding, it's hard to say how their play style will change. I mean, right now they most closely resemble Deathwing, and they aren't even close to how they play. The only current simularities are that the Custodes have Contemptor Dreadnoughts and Land Raiders.
But this is not a release of a new faction. This is expanding a current faction to actually make it viable. The custodes were given a codex / minidex at the end of 7th edition, which made them a legitimate faction. As it stands right now, there is absolutely no way to play a pure Custodes army simply because they have no HQ choices.
As someone who regularly fields a majority-custodes army, I am definitely excited about this! I am mainly excited to see the inevitable point drops!
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I don't know about that. In previous previews, they have never done a video showcasing FW units. So I think it is safe to say that what we saw is the units that will be available from the codex.
Edit: I was on the 40k Facebook page, and they have confirmed there that the bikes are plastic. So definitely not forgeworld.
Great news GML! It's brilliant that you get to flesh out your army a little more affordably now!
I expect things like the Jetbikes to receive a bit of attention from a lot of other faction players too, as I'm sure skilled people will be able to convert them to other factions bikers for a far more unique army.
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First teaser is out. Looks freaking great so far. That character's relic is so good!
Adeptus Custodes Preview - Part 1: The Heroes - Warhammer Community (https://www.warhammer-community.com/2018/01/15/adeptus-custodes-preview-part-1-the-heroesgw-homepage-post-2/)
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Adeptus Custodes Preview - Part 2: The Troops - Warhammer Community]
[url=https://www.warhammer-community.com/2018/01/16/adeptus-custodes-preview-part-2-troopsgw-homepage-post-2/]Adeptus Custodes Preview - Part 2: The Troops - Warhammer Community (http://[url=https://www.warhammer-community.com/2018/01/16/adeptus-custodes-preview-part-2-troopsgw-homepage-post-2/)[/url]
New teaser for the adeptus custodes.
Troops are looking fairly solid. Taking the vexillia and shield captains out of the squads as characters is also interesting.
Curious to see the bikes.
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Here's your jet bikes and what not.
Adeptus Custodes Preview Part 3: War Machines – Warhammer Community (https://www.warhammer-community.com/2018/01/17/adeptus-custodes-preview-part-3-war-machinesgw-homepage-post-2/)
Networked machine spirits sounds like it could be used for particular advantage.
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Landraiders mitigating all those armies with their fliers and -1 hit modifiers will be pretty great.
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Landraiders mitigating all those armies with their fliers and -1 hit modifiers will be pretty great.
Yeah, it's kinda been a weird meta recently where a lot of armies were either very shooty gunlines with auras, or armies with -1 to be hit modifiers which could fight those gunlines, or Dark Reaper Spam (because of Inescapable Accuracy). It's nice to see Land Raiders get something too, since they seem a little underused.
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How about those bikes as a counter charge unit?
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How about those bikes as a counter charge unit?
Planes are going to get beslubbered up by those bikes!
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The Custodes people (also known as Gold Marines) look like they have their own Shining Spears, and I'm betting they'll be cheaper and harder hitting.
Now they've gone and given away one of our best units!!
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The Custodes people (also known as Gold Marines) look like they have their own Shining Spears, and I'm betting they'll be cheaper and harder hitting.
Now they've gone and given away one of our best units!!
Space marines don't have shinning spears. The Custodian Guard have jetbikes. They are not the same.
It's been in the fluff for a long time, and they've had jetbike Horus heresy kits for years.
Also, considering a standard custodian guard is around 60pts, I highly doubt their jetbikes will be cheaper than the eldar ones. Unlesa shinning spears are 150pts each.
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The Custodes people (also known as Gold Marines) look like they have their own Shining Spears, and I'm betting they'll be cheaper and harder hitting.
Now they've gone and given away one of our best units!!
Space marines don't have shinning spears. The Custodian Guard have jetbikes. They are not the same.
This.
The biggest erroneous complaint I have seen online about the release of Codex: Adeptus Custodes was that it was "more Space Marines."
The Custodes are not Space Marines. The only way they are even close to Space Marines is that they are elite Imperial units of genetically engineered bad asses. In the fluff, they are not Space Marines; and in terms of game performance, they are not Space Marines. My favourite quote regarding Custodes (which may or may not be a real quote, but works none-the-less) is that "Custodes are to Astartes, as Astartes are to mortal men."
As for them being cheaper or hitting harder than Shining Spears? As long as the base stats for the Custodes don't change, they will hit harder simply because they have more attacks. But cheaper? Not a chance. The basic foot Custodes out of the Index costs 52pts with his Guardian Spear, or 54pts with sword and board. You honestly think that a model that will, most likely, have T6 and W4 will be cheaper than a Shining Spear?
It's ok to be intimidated by the new release, but the sky isn't falling yet. This is going to be an army that will have a very difficult time cracking 20 models at 2000pts. Just keep that in mind.
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Topic merged to Custodian Guard thread, as this seems like a better place to discuss Custodian Guard units.
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Here come the big lads.
Adeptus Custodes Preview Part 4: The Elites - Warhammer Community (https://www.warhammer-community.com/2018/01/18/adeptus-custodes-preview-part-3-elitesgw-homepage-post-2/)
Inescapable vengeance. Ouch. :)
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Are these guys the 8th Ed Grey Knights (now that Grey Knights are Silver marines)?
OK, the minimum Shining Spear Squad with Exarch and Star LAnce is under 100pts, but the base stat line of an Eldar Shining Spear Jetbike is (shall we call it) PEQ.
These new Marines (not a Marine), have jetbikes, move almost as fast (what's an inch or two between friends), hit harder, more resilient, and they're Marines (still not Marines).
Release them as an army, fine, but do it AFTER the T'au, Orks, and/or Necrons. The last thing we need are more Marines (still not a Marines).
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Are these guys the 8th Ed Grey Knights (now that Grey Knights are Silver marines)?
OK, the minimum Shining Spear Squad with Exarch and Star LAnce is under 100pts, but the base stat line of an Eldar Shining Spear Jetbike is (shall we call it) PEQ.
These new Marines (not a Marine), have jetbikes, move almost as fast (what's an inch or two between friends), hit harder, more resilient, and they're Marines (still not Marines).
Release them as an army, fine, but do it AFTER the T'au, Orks, and/or Necrons. The last thing we need are more Marines (still not a Marines).
Everyone is going to get a book. How is the order so important? I play Custodian Guard, spent hundreads of dollars building an army, hours building and painting the force. I'm really upset that folks now feel they need to amphetamine parrot all over my faction, because it's not the codex they want to play.
I've been happy for each faction that has gotten a book so far, none of them are my faction, but every book adds to the game. More options and diversity.
If you want to have a toxic opinion of the factions in the game, fine, but keep it to yourself. Facebook is full of it, but there is no need to bring it here.
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Are these guys the 8th Ed Grey Knights (now that Grey Knights are Silver marines)?
OK, the minimum Shining Spear Squad with Exarch and Star LAnce is under 100pts, but the base stat line of an Eldar Shining Spear Jetbike is (shall we call it) PEQ.
These new Marines (not a Marine), have jetbikes, move almost as fast (what's an inch or two between friends), hit harder, more resilient, and they're Marines (still not Marines).
Release them as an army, fine, but do it AFTER the T'au, Orks, and/or Necrons. The last thing we need are more Marines (still not a Marines).
You've come to the wrong place for sympathy, brother. If anything, you are making our point. A minimum squad of Shining Spears with Exarch and Star Lance is under 100pts. I fully expect one of the Custodes bikers to cost 100pts minimum.
People seem to focus on the fact that it is a new faction being released, when what is actually happening is that they are making an army playable. Yes, that's right. I said playable.
Let's do a little challenge with the current rules I like to call "Who can make an army list in a single detachment." And for the sake of fairness, let's use the three armies you referenced in addition to the Adeptus Custodes. Tau, Orks, and Necrons all have complete lists that are fully capable of running a self-sufficient army out of their index. The same can not be said for Custodes.
Although, I am curious about two things. 1) What is PEQ? and 2) What is it about the Custodes that has you consistently calling them Marines when, aside from them being humans in armour, they are nothing alike to Marines.
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PEQ = Primaris Equivalent.
I'm perfectly happy to see some of the fringe armies finally getting some love. When Tau get their turn I'll love them in return. It's not all about me, you know.
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If you want to have a toxic opinion of the factions in the game, fine, but keep it to yourself. Facebook is full of it, but there is no need to bring it here.
Everyone is welcome to express an opinion, so long as it is within the rules of the forum here. There are always different points of view about the game and releases, but let's debate those points, rather than say that alternative opinions are not allowed. TheEldarGuy can critique the new release, if he wishes, and others, such as yourself, can argue the case for it, so let's keep going like that :).
My own opinion on this matter is that this new faction is not going to be an issue. It's true that they are not my type of army, but I'm glad that others are interested in them. Just like any other new army, there will be a lot of scrutiny and fuss made about them to start with. It will all settle down over time though.
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Going to just move on here.
Going by the reveals so far, my collection will contain the following.
3 shield captains (hq)
3 contemptor dreads (elites?)
1 vexillia (elites)
11 custodian guard (troops, enough for 3 squads).
2 land raiders.
I'm not sure how I'm going to fit in room for any of the new stuff.
I really want a squad of the terminators, they seem really cool and I love how they can split into individual units. The bikes as well are freaking amazing. But, I'll want double raiders for that ignore minuses to hit.
I guess I'll have to see how the points work out, and how I can try to fit everything in!
The twitch live stream said the bikes are 80pts without weapons, so they'll be easily 100-125pts each all decked out. The terminators I expect will be around the same.
I can't wait to see the codex. Going to try and get the limited edition one :-)
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Last day of teasers.
Adeptus Custodes Preview Part 5: Stratagems - Warhammer Community (https://www.warhammer-community.com/2018/01/19/adeptus-custodes-preview-part-4-stratagemsgw-homepage-post-2/)
These strategems look like a lot of fun. My favourites are avenge the fallen, and shoulder the burden. Both are super characterful. Lots of nostalgia with the grenades as well.
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Nice to see some of the old Rogue Trader munitions coming back. Tau players aren't going to be huge fans of concussion grenades but them's the breaks.
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Well, order the collectors edition and the data cards. Can't wait to get my hands on the book. Definitely want some of the jetbikes eventually too, but I'm curious to see where my existing models bring me first. I think it'll be very easy to get to 3000pts ha ha.
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This looks like an awesome release. I'm sorely tempted to get some of these models and convert them for my DA. Particularly the Jetbikes (for a unique Samael) and one of the Termies for Belial. Just killer models and they look like a really cool army. Can't to see the models in person