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Offline Heatseek3r

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2nd world countries?
« on: November 25, 2006, 04:41:21 AM »
Hi. A quick question.

I know what a first world country is.
I know what a third world country is.

But I'm not quite sure of what a second world country would be.
Is there even a second world term?
If yes, is a 2nd world country one of the developing countries(like many a nation in the eastern europe region)?
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Re: 2nd world countries?
« Reply #1 on: November 25, 2006, 06:35:13 AM »
Typically second world is used to refer to what are also known as NIC- Newly Industrialised Countries, those countries whose economies are booming but which have not yet become a first world country. Examples include China (as in the PRC, not Taiwan), India and Brazil.

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Re: 2nd world countries?
« Reply #2 on: November 25, 2006, 06:42:03 AM »
I think so. Thanks. :)
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Re: 2nd world countries?
« Reply #3 on: November 25, 2006, 06:44:51 AM »
I was under the impression that First/Second/Third World was a Cold War classification, like so -

First World - the industrialised, capitalist West, i.e. Western Europe, North America, Australia
Second World - the communist bloc, i.e. the Soviet Union, Warsaw Pact countries, China (maybe)
Third World - everyone else

With the disintegration of the communist bloc and the revelation that it wasn't a monolithic entity, the distinctions have blurred somewhat and the term 'Second World' is no longer really useful.
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Re: 2nd world countries?
« Reply #4 on: November 25, 2006, 07:12:15 AM »
First World - the industrialised, capitalist West, i.e. Western Europe, North America, Australia
Second World - the communist bloc, i.e. the Soviet Union, Warsaw Pact countries, China (maybe)
Third World - everyone else

Unless you were looking at it from the soviet point of view, in which you would switch around first and second world.

But yeah, it's not really used today since the dissolution of the Soviet Empire.  Not that it was used all that much before then, though.
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Re: 2nd world countries?
« Reply #5 on: November 25, 2006, 07:51:05 AM »
Regardless of the term's origins, in economics and demographic geography today it's used as a classifier of economic status.
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Re: 2nd world countries?
« Reply #6 on: November 25, 2006, 11:15:18 PM »
First world: Us
Second World: Them
Third World: not worth caring about.

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Re: 2nd world countries?
« Reply #7 on: November 25, 2006, 11:19:31 PM »
Serious definitions only please.

I favour Chuckles' idea there as I have never heard of this Cold War version before.
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Re: 2nd world countries?
« Reply #8 on: November 26, 2006, 03:27:46 AM »
A first world country is a country allied with the United States against the Soviet Union.

A second world country is a country allied with the Soviet Union against the United States.

A third world country is a country allied with neither.

Second world countries no longer exist. First world countries have just come to mean countries which are highly industrialized. 
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Re: 2nd world countries?
« Reply #9 on: November 26, 2006, 05:37:19 AM »
So technically there is no such thing as a first, second or third world country then?
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Re: 2nd world countries?
« Reply #10 on: November 26, 2006, 06:34:08 AM »
we just covered this in geography last weel .  a second world country is an MEDC or an LEDC a more or less economically developed country which i a communist country.  but recently because of the fall of communism and the predominance of a cpaitalist system 2nd world countries are few in number which is why theyre relativly unheard of now.  Korea, Cuba etc are examples of 2nd world countries

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Re: 2nd world countries?
« Reply #11 on: November 26, 2006, 06:35:14 AM »
Interesting, because I learned a completely different definition in Geography. What year of study is this?
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Re: 2nd world countries?
« Reply #12 on: November 26, 2006, 08:24:33 AM »
First World countries: Entire Europe except eastern europe; North America, Taiwan, Japan, Hongkong, Australia, New Zealand (sp?) etc.

Second World countries: Formet Sowjet/Communist states such as China, North Korea etc., but today, not referred to as second world countries anymore since sowjet union fell.

Third World countries: Poor regoins of south america, africa, Central Asia etc. (not sure about India)

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Re: 2nd world countries?
« Reply #13 on: November 26, 2006, 08:39:39 AM »
As far back as the year 2000 when I graduated with my sociology degree, the term '3rd world country' had become somewhat defunct.

3rd world countries are in modern times usually referred to as 'developing countries'.

The term "1st World" refers to countries that are capitalist democracies, that are technologically advanced, and whose citizens have a high standard of living. The United States, Canada, Japan, Australia, and most of the countries of Western Europe are examples of first-world countries.

'2nd world' definitions were largely used to describe the old cold war Eastern Bloc nations. The term has largely fallen out of use because the countries to which it referred mostly abandoned Communism, and their mutual interests, after the 1991 collapse of the Soviet Union. The other two terms remain in widespread use.
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Re: 2nd world countries?
« Reply #14 on: November 26, 2006, 10:42:26 AM »
Interesting, because I learned a completely different definition in Geography. What year of study is this?

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Re: 2nd world countries?
« Reply #15 on: November 26, 2006, 11:25:06 AM »
Snap. What exam board are you with?
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Re: 2nd world countries?
« Reply #16 on: November 26, 2006, 02:13:58 PM »
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As far back as the year 2000 when I graduated with my sociology degree, the term '3rd world country' had become somewhat defunct.

3rd world countries are in modern times usually referred to as 'developing countries'.

The term "1st World" refers to countries that are capitalist democracies, that are technologically advanced, and whose citizens have a high standard of living. The United States, Canada, Japan, Australia, and most of the countries of Western Europe are examples of first-world countries.

'2nd world' definitions were largely used to describe the old cold war Eastern Bloc nations. The term has largely fallen out of use because the countries to which it referred mostly abandoned Communism, and their mutual interests, after the 1991 collapse of the Soviet Union. The other two terms remain in widespread use.

Dave Witham´s definition is correct. Very nice, almost like from the textbook. This is supposed to be a compliment. :-[
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Re: 2nd world countries?
« Reply #17 on: November 26, 2006, 02:19:59 PM »
However in colloquial use the term 2nd world is used to describe countries that lie between the first and third world status as either falling first world countries like russia or rising ones like china, india, brazil... or countries like ex iron curtain countries whose standard of living is comfortable but not "fabulous" like the first world countries so countries like czech republic, austria, poland and others whose standard of living is rising gently towards first world.

Its a old term now used to define economic viability.


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Re: 2nd world countries?
« Reply #18 on: November 26, 2006, 02:51:52 PM »
So technically there is no such thing as a first, second or third world country then?

Honestly if left with the fall of european base Cominunism and the death of the Cold war. pretty much developed, developing and under-develop are the words today.
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Re: 2nd world countries?
« Reply #19 on: November 26, 2006, 06:03:26 PM »
we just covered this in geography last weel .  a second world country is an MEDC or an LEDC a more or less economically developed country

I'm familiar with the terms MEDC and LEDC (International Baccalaureate Geography course), but neither is relevant to the term 'Second World'. It's an entirely different type of classification.

As I learned it, MEDC and LEDC are the appropriate terms to use, and the First/Second/Third World divide is appropriate colloquially but not anywhere else. Of course, there's a whole bag of politically correct conventions when talking about development... apparently neither 'developing countries' nor 'undeveloped countries' are appropriate because those countries have a rich cultural heritage and the qualifier 'economically' is required to respect that. It's disgusting, but that's the way political correctness is.
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