Also wha is a Gorgon?
Wow I hope I see these on the table so I could worship them with all my love. They are amazing. Why doesnt the FW team move to the GW model team. For real we could use some dead sexy models like this on the GW line.
Oh and heres a Gorgon:
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I thought those were the ones from epic. ???They are.
Whoa, though. Ouch 64 american dollars for ten troops? I guess coolness comes with a price eh?
But i agree that this line should deffinitly be moved to GW, maybe lower the cost a few bucks....but then again im high on super glue and dreaming.
But not until IA5 has been published, rules first model second.
Whoa, though. Ouch 64 american dollars for ten troops? I guess coolness comes with a price eh?
I'm not surprised considering that an Elysian infantry squad runs about the same price, more if you add the jet packs.
More than that, do you think we'll see and Platoon set? That would be very nice...
SeeYouNextTuesday: $70 and 30 Pounds.....2 prices! ;)
Welcome to the nasty world of currency exchange....Where one price looks real nice...while another takes off when compared to the first one!
Yeah well if the dollar traded for more i would be happy. But 2 dollars to 1 pound(or whatever[probably more now]) kind of sucks. And espcially since ForgeWorld is UK based, it really puts off to People in North America.
I'm going to say No, squads alone are expensive enough, and a platoon will cost you as much as a new Baneblade. I doubt we'll see such a package deal when you can just make your own from their site with the squads.
:'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(
All I can see is 'to bad, so sad'. Forgeworld isn't neccessary for our hobby, you can play awesome games of 40k without having any of forgeworld stuff. So basically, FW is a luxary item within a luxary item. So yeah, they're going to be expensive. Also: The brittish may "only" be paying 30pound, but that 30 quid is the equivilient to your $70, so everybody is in the same horrible expensive boat.
Now, if we're going to compare prices, it would cost me $100 to get in a squad of 10 DCoK in. So, unfortunatly I will never, ever have an army of DCoK anytime soon. I will have to make do with my Vostroyans and Carpicans. And my Baneblade.
So, with most things like FW, you'll just have to buy them up slowly but surely. It'll take a while, but you'll have an awesome army when its done.
Whoa, though. Ouch 64 american dollars for ten troops? I guess coolness comes with a price eh?
*News Just In*
My honco mate at GW said he had seen the Gorgon and it was looking good...
haha dang i sounded pretty whiney without even knowing. Well yeah I guess your right about the same prices just different currency. But whatever, i would never buy from them anyway. I like converting way better.
Besides, you get a nice feeling (after the soreness has gone) knowing you have a very cool and relatively exclusive model or three in your army.
Hmmm...how much would an Infantry Company cost I wonder?
Whoa, though. Ouch 64 american dollars for ten troops? I guess coolness comes with a price eh?
I'm not surprised considering that an Elysian infantry squad runs about the same price, more if you add the jet packs.
Yeah, but a tad bit unfair for us lame Americans. I say they should charge two different prices. One in Pounds and one in Dollars. Lets be fair now.
Resin is cheaper than styrene - or at least the two are close enough. But you need to redo the moulds every half-dozen casts, which adds a lot more man-hours per model, which is the cost....
And you don't have to load it up with expensive troops - stick a 50 man Conscript platoon in there if you really want to!
What a stupid oversight. They'd better fix it by the time it becomes official.
~Andromidius
Besides, they are best suited for using it in my opinion, throwing a living wave at the enemy's doorstep while the valuable troops stand back and shoot.
Besides, they are best suited for using it in my opinion, throwing a living wave at the enemy's doorstep while the valuable troops stand back and shoot.
Oh whatever. I just don't see the logic in not letting Conscripts ride in a non-dedicated transport that's the right size for them.
Besides, they are best suited for using it in my opinion, throwing a living wave at the enemy's doorstep while the valuable troops stand back and shoot.
What a stupid oversight. They'd better fix it by the time it becomes official.
~Andromidius
Why? Why should it be 'fixed'? Maybe that's exactly what they intended? So you wouldn't have a way to transport a cheap shield unit such as conscripts.
It doesn't state anywhere that the Gorgon is limited only to the Krieg as far as I remember.
But whatever, argue all you like with me. Because in the end it doesn't matter.
~Andromidius
I dont even think the sales of Vostroyans would compare to sales of Death Corps or even sales of Elysian if GW made them. Plain and simple. Why does FW make AWESOME models and gw make the "not as cool" models. I hate to rant.
I would buy a REGIMENT of Elysians or even Kriegs, not my style but still cool, if GW made them in plastic.
I dont even think the sales of Vostroyans would compare to sales of Death Corps or even sales of Elysian if GW made them. Plain and simple. Why does FW make AWESOME models and gw make the "not as cool" models. I hate to rant.
Hey guys I was looking at the forge world site today and found this for the death korps of krieg.
http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/dkkd.htm (http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/dkkd.htm)
Hey guys I was looking at the forge world site today and found this for the death korps of krieg.
http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/dkkd.htm (http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/dkkd.htm)
Wait I am confused so if the weird E symbol isnt the Euro then what is? I guess I thought Europe completely adopted the Euro but I was then told that every country still has its own currency
Wait I am confused so if the weird E symbol isnt the Euro then what is? I guess I thought Europe completely adopted the Euro but I was then told that every country still has its own currency
O my god those are amazing the best guardsmen i have ever seen. What do u think of putting a chaos spike on top of each helmet for a nice picklehaube?
Finally made my order.
72 guys. six infantry squads and two heavy weapons teams. (las and bolter)
EDIT: Its gonna be called the Centaur, also talk of towed artillery and of course the Storm Troopers and Death Riders we already know about. ;D
I wonder what 'pose' the third squad will take on, since we've got advancing and firing now, maybe assaulting? I dont know ???
At a gues I'd ot be surprised to see the Death Riders as a Christmas release ;) mmmmm Krieg'y goodness! :D
What is the Centaur supposed to be? A Tank?
Nah not my pictures, just courtasy of a poster on Warseer ;) I would'nt go to Games Day if you paid me lol
Its a pity theres no sign of anything on the proposed towed artillery though amongst that lot, there were some Daemon Engines which looked rather nice, no more Guard though.
If anyone was in any doubt about wanting Krieg surely they cant be now lol
If anyone was in any doubt about wanting Krieg surely they cant be now lol
Well, appart from the price tag - £155 for a set of three guns, tractors and crew!
True, but thats all the more reason to take your time building up a superb looking force, painting each and every model to the best of your ability ;)
The Heavy Mortars wouldn't count as a single unit, and are merely chosen as a single army choice. They all act independantly.
~Andromidius
Hi, might be a bit slow off the mark on this one but I've just spotted the points value for the Heavy Mortar (its tucked away neatly at the top where you wouldn't spot it!)They must be reading their e-mail after all! That line isn't in the copy I downloaded last night :)
heavy stubber weapons teams....yes!
Ah hah! Shots of what appears to be the final DKoK third Infantry Squad - and it's not Trenchers, its 'Standing'.
Theres also some new 'Krieg' Russ variants, you can see some of the turrets in the background of the first shot including a Krieg Execution, Vanquisher, possibly something along the lines of an Exterminator on the far left - maybe a Demolisher also(?) and a whole Russ kit in the second, all from the Spanish GD as posted on Warseer.
man i hope they release the new IA volume before christmas, i was thinking of a griffon, but three times the firepower for the same cost as two griffons in one slot (probably heavy support) sounds awful cool...
Don't count on it. Word is the next IA tome is coming out at the end of next year.
It seems like the Standing guys aren't going to be the next squad as there are too few of them. So I guess we are left waiting for now. I like the L/R Variant, very cool work.
Not 'just' Roughriders, if done theory they should have Bionic Enhancement of something similar to represent their enhanced/mutant mounts.
Not 'just' Roughriders, if done theory they should have Bionic Enhancement of something similar to represent their enhanced/mutant mounts.
agreed
it seemsverystrangeto me forthem toputout3 different troop squads before they put out the command squad
they dont even have a special character
they should have put out the com, troop, and heavy weaponsquads out at once,followed by the gorgon and grenadiers, and then the russes
the sooner they put out the com squad, the sooner i can start my army
whaT the hell are those wierd rounded things on the back of the russes
i think they look pretty stupid
dammit!!!!
i desperately want the upgrade kits for my AC now - just after i've finished my vanquisher command tank off!!!!
DAMN YOU FORGE WORLD!!!!
A while back I mentioned about the Death Korps infantry sergeant with laspistol and sword that featured in White Dwarf, and I finally found a pic online over at Age of Strife. You guys may have already seen this, but I just wondered if anyone had any info on when this figure might be available, as it seems daft to me that it's not included as an option in the current squads available. ???
http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r145/StraightSilver/IMG_2070.jpg
There is also this pic of the Standard bearer from games Day, which I don't think has been posted before. :-\
http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r145/StraightSilver/IMG_2067.jpg
I think I love these models more and more each time I see them, and can't wait to get some (hopefully this Christmas! ;D)
Hmm, I'm not sure I really like the at-ease squad - they look too passive compared to the rest of the range. I suppose they might be good for a diarama, but otherwise I don't think they would fit in with an army :(
plus, if u dont like an entire squad fo at ease guys, then buy 1 squad of each and mix and match the firing, charging, and at ease models together within each squad, thats what im gona do
It'd be cool (though costly) to have them stuck into the gorgon without bases, it'd be like creating a mini diorama in the gorgon!
You could make a D-Day diorama by doing that! 3-5 Gorgons racing across No Man's Land towards the enemy trenches!
It'd be cool (though costly) to have them stuck into the gorgon without bases, it'd be like creating a mini diorama in the gorgon!
You could make a D-Day diorama by doing that! 3-5 Gorgons racing across No Man's Land towards the enemy trenches!
It'd be cool (though costly) to have them stuck into the gorgon without bases, it'd be like creating a mini diorama in the gorgon!
You could make a D-Day diorama by doing that! 3-5 Gorgons racing across No Man's Land towards the enemy trenches!
time to bust out the plastic card and cardboard! i am goint to scartch build 3 of those for a d-day battle i am goin to have with my friends this weekend!
That guys need to learn how to shrink pictures.
~Andromidius
It's retarted you have to buy the crew seperatly.
It's retarted you have to buy the crew seperatly.
I'd rather buy them separately than be forced to pay for some DKoK troopers that I wouldn't use.
It's been recommended that a 1:35 scale Nebelwerfer (http://www.marketon.pl/hobbyta/pictures/0000200/0033278.jpg) would make a cheap alternative to the Forgeworld model.
It's been recommended that a 1:35 scale Nebelwerfer (http://www.marketon.pl/hobbyta/pictures/0000200/0033278.jpg) would make a cheap alternative to the Forgeworld model.
It's been recommended that a 1:35 scale Nebelwerfer (http://www.marketon.pl/hobbyta/pictures/0000200/0033278.jpg) would make a cheap alternative to the Forgeworld model.
Where are the rules for the thudd gun? And are they the same as the original rules?
If they are immobile, how do they deploy from reserve (if the mission forces you to)? Sounds like FW trying to force us to buy centaurs >:(
If they are immobile, how do they deploy from reserve (if the mission forces you to)? Sounds like FW trying to force us to buy centaurs >:(
I'll probably end up using them. A battery can put out 12 blast templates a turn for 180 pts, not to shabby, although I wish it was more than S5 AP5...
Exterminator cannon is a 5 dollar bit on the gw website.
sorry, i got bored of reading after the third page, so if this has already been asked, sorry.
can you guys give me a link to the rules that i would use for the Death Korps. I have been thinking of starting guard, and they are the perfect models!
Exterminator cannon is a 5 dollar bit on the gw website.linky please...??
Just out of curiosity, DO they plan on making Krieg Superheavies. I saw bits and pieces for conversions, but I was hoping they'd make something especiialy spectacular before teh release.
I wonder, I'm assuming Guard, I'm hoping Stormhammer...
Deathwheel, maybe? It's an existing Epic unit...
if all of these rumors about a plastic baneblade is true, you can take the DKOK super heavy converion kit.
Please tell me there are more photos. PLease, please PLEASE!
Wow, that looks good! Hmmn, the twin linked battlecannon thingy is interesting. How do the rules work for TL ordnance?
Makes me wonder what the devil's due will be ???
Bit more info on the new Super Heavy. It is a bit smaller than the others, armed with a twin linked Battlecannon main weapon.
Priced £85.
Death Riders are £50 for 5.
D.
Kreig:
New Super Heavy based on the Gorgon called the Macharius,
armed with TWO (nto Twin linked) battlecannons as standard but can be upgraded to Vanquisher cannon.
Heavy Mortars & Thudd guns are ELITE choices not heavy, The mortars can now buy a range of different shells (as per the Griffon i think.)
HQ choices include Commissars and Death Rider Command Squads also a new thing called a Quartermaster who from what I remember is like an independant medic who can have up to four servitors.
Death Riders get a 6+ Invulnerable save.
Sentinels are nto in the army list (bugger, I bought several for them already)
Militia:
The Leman Russ varient is meant to be an early design Leman Russ.
Rouge Psykers (0-5) who is they fail a Perils of the Warp test become Possessed.
Alpha Legion CSM squad can be taken as an Elite choice.
HQ choice - Enforcers, think Chaos Commissars.
I'm guessing not, teh April Fools joke was this little guy lol
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and also some information on the Chaos Guard, who incidently it appears the tank with hull mounted demolisher cannon and loads of heavy bolters is for.QuoteMilitia:
The Leman Russ varient is meant to be an early design Leman Russ.
Rouge Psykers (0-5) who is they fail a Perils of the Warp test become Possessed.
Alpha Legion CSM squad can be taken as an Elite choice.
HQ choice - Enforcers, think Chaos Commissars.
The word is that Part 2 will be mostly chaos (back at Gamesday there were plenty of Daemon Engine concepts floating about), though theres also the rumour that it'll include some Adeptus Mechanicus though FW are still quite tight lipped about this - maybe we'll finally see the oft mentioned Reaver Titan?
The Super Heavy is the Macharius, possibly the other vehicle is the Malcador.
The Macharius is a fine tank, but it doesn't look like something every regiment would use.
I really hope one day they do the Valhallans. ::)
Here a sample of how the Death Riders come on sprue, I'm surprised they've made them so nearly one piece models :o
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I'm not too keen on the armaments of the Macharius though. If anything it seems like an enlarged version of the Leman Russ.
Let's see the points cost first though, ya? Might be cheaper than a Baneblade.
Lovin' the Death Riders.
here is the thing that gets me, twin linked battle cannons? what do you think the rules will be for them? reroll the scadder dice maybe? still very good!
I really doubt either of them will be super heavy. The Macharius is listed in the FW site as heavy. And the Malcador is in the same size group. Lets see how FW can please us.
Indeed it is bigger, for those who've not seen the comparison picture here it is compaired to a Baneblade and Russ absolutely has too be 2 Structure Points.
My comments were about the Malcador. The one in that pic is the Macharius, which I too have always thought will have 2 structure points.
Inquisitor Psychologis Ruminahui
kinda odd that they have preorders already but they dont have the rules for it out yet. maybe it might be a over priced points sink-but if that is true, its a very cool looking points sink. i wounder if its bigger than a land raider. i think it will be a super heavy due to its size. 2 SPs looks about right for me.
ForgeWorld.
No new modles but we were able to go through the of imperial Armour 5.
Lots of Fluff as usual, around 10 pages on the Dark Angels organisation, in full colour. Then the Renegade army list.... basically you take the Imperial Guard codex, use randomised leadership, add a few new units (those ogrins) and bobs your uncle a new non-imerial human army list. And yes for all those tau players you can use the list like the Kroot Merc list. (oh they have access to the baneblade).
oh they have access to the baneblade
oh they have access to the baneblade
OOOOOO!!! I'm liking this list more! Heh Heh Heh! I expected this might happen, but its still awesome to see.
The question you have to ask yourself with that is how long till they release a conversion pack for Traitor Baneblades (etc)?
What!? Now, I wonder how it would feel like to be playing that list... ::)
I'd doubt it. Guard Traitors hardly have the favour of the Gods that Chaos Space Marines do.
lets keep this on topic
this is a DKOK thread, lets keep it that way
lets keep this on topic
this is a DKOK thread, lets keep it that way
does anyone think that FW will modify the imperial navy range for the death korps? (just an interesting idea)
Heh! I find it most humorous that you come in here telling us to stay on subject, yet you inject a comment about the Imperial Navy....how is that any different from our discussion about Baneblades....
I am very much tempted now to go for the rengade army, I would love the idea of having the chaos I love with big tanks.
It seems that at least the Malcador will have a Chaos version, and I wouldnt be surprised to see more than that. After all, they did make them Renegade Tank Commanders.
I already got 2 sets of tank commanders and I like the models a lot. Can we say Chaos Armor Company! Hmmmmm Exterminators, Malcadors, and LRMBTs! ;)
I have yet to truly decide if I want my Armoured Company to be traitor or Krieg. Either way, it will rock Goyder's socks.
The question you have to ask yourself with that is how long till they release a conversion pack for Traitor Baneblades (etc)?
Seeing some BFG fighters would be interesting. Such as Furies or Starhawks.
Then again, they'll be pretty massive in 40k scale...at least Thunderhawk scale.
~Andromidius
Yeah, they are. But I imagine they could fly in atmosphere just as well.
~Andromidius
[And Nubis it does have 2 battlecannons.]
Death Riders have no tails???
the Udders of Thoth to the house, lets buy some toy soldiers
Interestingly enough, you don't have to take a Command Platoon, But you unfortunately can only take one Special Weapon, and to take a Standard it needs to be a Regimental Standard. Support Squads are as normal, barring doctrine costs and no SWS or Sentinels.
Elites are Heavy Mortars, Thudd Guns and Grenadiers (Can only take Centaurs, don't get Infiltrate/Deep Strike), and Grenadiers don't get Plasmaguns. Heavy Stubbers count as Heavy Weapons, along with the Heavy Flamers. However you can take the Heavy Weapon in addition to the two specials. They also end up benfiting from Die-Hards and Hardened Fighters, but only pay an additional point for it.
Thanks for the lowdown. Very interesting.Interestingly enough, you don't have to take a Command Platoon, But you unfortunately can only take one Special Weapon, and to take a Standard it needs to be a Regimental Standard. Support Squads are as normal, barring doctrine costs and no SWS or Sentinels.
They force you to take a regimental (or no) standard, in a company-level game? I fail to see the rationale behind that.
All 'Guard Infantry' equivalents have D6+4 leadership, rolled when they first make a test.
That's it, really. It's a lot like a regular Codex army.
Demo Charges are single handed weapons in the armoury - which is beslubbering awesome.
The Command Platoon has to have either a JO or SO, no HSO. Support Squads are as normal, mnus SWSs.
Enforcers and Apostate Cardinals are pretty much Codex Commissars/Priests.
Rogue Psykers have a (slightly) different set of powers, but turn into Daemons if you roll a Perils of the Warp. Said Daemons are awesome.
Elites are a 0-1 squad of Alpha Legion that pay more for special weapons (Up to three!!) and a heavy weapon and Sergeant equipment, but can infiltrate, and are reasonably priced.
Renegade Ogryn get Feel No Pain and Fearless, and a Power Weapon in the squad for a reasonable amount of points, but they get D6 attacks, and after the attacks are resolved, you roll another D6. If it's less than the number of attacks you rolled, the Ogryn takes unsaveable wounds making up the difference. Which is kinda harsh, but I like them better than standard Ogryn. Not quite enough to take them over regular Troops.
Veterans are pretty much Codex, but get Ld9 for the same amount of points as standard ones, and are not 0-1. They are fantastic, in my opinion.
Apart from Leadership, Infantry Platoons are the same as Codex, except they can get an Heavy Stubber (NOT twin linked like Krieg) as a Heavy Weapon choice, and any member of the squad can have either a lasgun/shotgun or laspistol/ccw loadout.
Armoured Fists are the same as Infantry Squads, but have a Chimera and have to start in reserve.
Fast Attack is either Sentinels, Hellhounds or Salamander Scouts.
Heavy Support is wicked.
Heavy Weapons Platoons can take Sabre Platforms instead of Weapons Squads.
Pretty much all Imperial Armour vehicles are available to take (although you need IAv1 for the rules). You can also get Weapons Platforms, Turret Emplacements and up to 1 Sentry Gun Battery. You can also get 6 minefield markers as a single choice (0-1), but they have a 50% chance of being a dud. If not, they work in a similar fashion to regular mines.
You can also take an Artillery Strike like an Armoured Battlegroup.
As always, feel free to ask questions.
The Dark Angels special character is pretty cool as well :)
Has anyone found the rules for the heavy stubber in the book - as I was searching for FW's 'official' stats for it and could not find it anywhere.
The Dark Angels special character is pretty cool as well :)
I didn't expect it to change much as well, but was miffed that the twin-heavy stubbers rule (bar it obviously being a twin) were not included.
I also feel that the more crew a heavy weapon has the higher its RoF should be (like in FoW.)
On a side note....did anyone notice that the Conscripts(AKA Workers Rabble) DO NOT have the standard Cons restriction rule of requiring a regular Platoon before you can purchase the ConsSquad....Hmmmmm mm Interesting! ;)The same goes for Armoured Fists as well, allowing a sort of Mechanized Renegades list.
Heavy bolters all fire around the same rate of fire.So why shouldn't Heavy Stubbers all fire around the same rate?
Doesn't seem big enough for 2 structure points to me, I thought it would be one because its actually the same width as a standard Russ, obviously its longer so a heavier tank but its not close to the macharius. The chap at the forgeworld stand also mentioned it being one structure point, just so it could move and fire everything. One seems perfect to me!
I have to agree - it doesn't seem to be big enough for structure points - but the rules are the rules. IMHO, only things larger than a lanraider should have structure points (as the landraider is the largest non-FW vehicle, and the largest without structure points), and this thing is certainly smaller than a landraider.
As for only one structure point, isn't that what pretty much what all normal 40K vehicles have?
Personally, I think they would been better off just making it without structure points, but allowing it to split fire in exchange for lumbering.
well it isn't very heavily armoured for a super heavy.
Maybe that will cancel out some of the advantages of having 2 structure points.
Human wave assaults should work rather well as well - yes, the korps infantry have no heavy weapons, but if you want a massed guard spam charge you wouldn't use them - and you do get WS4, die-hard infantry squads at no extra cost as a result. Combine that with the joys of heavy mortar smoke rounds (look you foolish guardians, we can mobile cover too!) to protect the front few squads and a massed bayonet charge will be rather hard to stop.The infantry squads pay full price for die-hards and hardened fighters, which IMO is the bane of the list.
Korps Grenadiers (who are essentially an obscene mix of stormtroopers, hardened veterans and a special weapons assault squad) are officially the Daddy - with access to a hidden powerfist, two flamers, a heavy flamer, and two demo charges per unit (cop that....). Alternatively the fact that the centaur is a fast, open-topped transport allows a couple of small squads to sic a flamer-powerfist charge pretty much anywhere on the battlefield. Command squads can do the same.I quite agree about the grenadiers, particularly has they get die hards and hardened fighters almost free. 5 men, centaur, 2 demo charges anyone?
In my view, the everything but the troops is great. The problem is that getting enough troops costs so much you can't afford much of the good stuff!
I ordered IAV5 about 2 and a half weeks ago, but royal mail was on strike so it's coming late for me. =(
Was Malcador, or the tank named after him, ever mentioned anywhere in 40k fluff prior to the HH novels?
ok 2 quick questions about some DKoK / IA5 stuff.
1. the DKoK Mars Alpha Pattern LR Demolisher complete kit, is this a LRBT kit + FW parts or a LRD + FW parts? id like to not have to bitz order for the plas cannons.
2. The Imperial Macharius Heavy Tank, is it a super heavy?
3. Is there a points limit on the Macharius? The Baneblade cant be used in anything under 2k points, what is the limit on the Macharius if it has a limit?.
I notice there are no missile launchers in the DKOK line. Presumably to keep with that WWI feel. For those who have seen IA5, are missile launchers actually not an option in the army list?
Forgive me if this was already covered upthread and I missed it.
Is there a points limit on the Macharius? The Baneblade cant be used in anything under 2k points, what is the limit on the Macharius if it has a limit?.There isn't a points limit on either. The rule is that super-heavy tanks can only be used in a seperate detachment of 1-3 vehicles.
do the Gorgon move only 6" per turn?
can make a full-grenadier army?
No reason one can't use the models with the standard IG codex, though. Just take the carapace armour or grenadiers doctrine.
what I wrote was misleading.
I meant to use FW alternative lists with different (less expensive) models.
I remember reading somewhere before IA5 came out that IA5 and IA6 would be stand alone with IA5 dealing with the Imperial Forces and IA6 dealing with Chaos.
Is this still the case? Would you need both IA5 and IA6 to run a DKoK list or will you only need IA5?
I'm very tempted to pick up a single squad of DKoK to see if I like assembling/ painting the Resin models, but I'm such a novice, I'd be afraid of ruining them.
How do FW paint their DKoK line of figures? Do they use GW paints? I was looking at the pictures and for some reason they don't look the same to me. I'm not sure what it is, maybe its just the photography.
I'm very tempted to pick up a single squad of DKoK to see if I like assembling/ painting the Resin models, but I'm such a novice, I'd be afraid of ruining them.
How do FW paint their DKoK line of figures? Do they use GW paints? I was looking at the pictures and for some reason they don't look the same to me. I'm not sure what it is, maybe its just the photography.
I'm very tempted to pick up a single squad of DKoK to see if I like assembling/ painting the Resin models, but I'm such a novice, I'd be afraid of ruining them.
having bought a pile of them, the assembly isnt bad the body is 1 piece with the arms/gun off with some extra bits. heavy weapons however seem to be a bit more confusing to put together ( FW really needs instructions not pictures of final models )
They don't include instructions? Infantry I could see not really needing instructions, but what about vehicles or more complicated models like the heavy weapons you mentioned? Are all the kits devoid of instructions? They don't come with bases either correct?
my LR vanquisher complete kit did not even include the LR instructions as it was out of box sprues, luckily i had one from the 4 i sold earlier. my Macharius only has pictures to go by, no instructions.
even so the larger models are done in such a way that you dont really need instructions. my Macharius is really only 5 large pieces which you can plainly see where they go. the little extras you can identify by the 360 views of the tank.
were they in the LRBT box? my DKoK pattern Vanquisher came out of box without the vehicle upgrade sprue and no instructions, kind of bummed me as i love dozer blades.
Now that's dakka.
I wounder why S6 AP 3 when a Heavy Boler is S5 AP4+ ... ???
it's an orgasmatic weapon, but it's way too modern for the IWW style of DKoK.
I wounder why S6 AP 3 when a Heavy Boler is S5 AP4+ ... ???
the new rules for the VMB in this version of the Macharius are the new stat line for the Apocalypse version
oh, my heart, I need oxigen... that commissar is worth an orgasm.Alright hands where we can see em.
So... what exactly would the Krieg engineers do?
I know the DKOK has their own rules and unit types - at least, I think I do - but I have no idea how they work. I mean, how would you use a quartermaster in battle?
Would you say the DKOK is an army that is meant to be geared for use with the special IA book and it's own rules, or alternatively one that people can simply buy and use as a normal IG army with the official codex doctrines?
Oh, and as a side note I ordered one of them foot commissars, along with some Tallarn snipers and a Tallarn Sentinel. Three weeks later... the Tallarn stuff arrives but no Commissar!! ARGH! I called and the chap I spoke to said that FW is busier than they have ever been, with people working 18 hour days, and the entire DKOK range running out of stock, and tons of orders coming in for Christmas. Well, can't blame 'em.
Just as a quickie. Have the Baneblade variants, in your oppinions, been justifiably upgraded to Apoc standards. I refer in particular to the Shadowsword titan killers of course ;)
Of course, no alteriour motives to me trying to get a new one. ;) The expenses are nicely hidden under "increased expenditure for bolt ammunition due to an increase in executions", so Goyder shall never realise that actually, hangings, are now the avante garde emperor's grace
why am I not surprisedCause I've been sneaking into the hangers every day till the new variants arrived?
Thanks man. Hmnn, finally a justified IG superheavy tank in appoc. Should be sexy.
Also, the Emp Hammer Tank Company, have the points been brought more inline with the new lower priced baneblades? I am still crying over those loverly plasma executioners that have always been prohibitively expensive.
I seriously think this is a book I must get!
Anyway. Thanks for the update, and uhm, i feel dirty saying this, but, uhm may the emperor protect <cough>
New Toys for the Holidays Troopers!!! BEHOLD!!
New Commissar with Gas Mask (http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/dkkcomm1.htm)
DKoK Combar Engineers (http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/dkkengineers.htm)
Renegade Command Squad (http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/rencomm.htm)
Renegade Nurgle Preachers (http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/rennurgpreach.htm)
New Toys for the Holidays Troopers!!! BEHOLD!!
New Commissar with Gas Mask (http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/dkkcomm1.htm)
DKoK Combar Engineers (http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/dkkengineers.htm)
Renegade Command Squad (http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/rencomm.htm)
Renegade Nurgle Preachers (http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/rennurgpreach.htm)
The renegade command squad is unbelievably awesome. I would love to have one of them.
Wish I could justify buying those renegades. The commander is seriously impressive, looks as if hes wearing his face as his gamask lol. I like everything about him except the chainsword arm.
if only FW would release some generic chaos preachers!
i do like the nurgle ones - but lets face it not everybody wants a nurgle renegade force!!!!
Can someone who has more knowledge of such things let me know how these differ from the regular patterns.
Can someone who has more knowledge of such things let me know how these differ from the regular patterns.
In addition, what/where is Arkurio? Never heard of it. I'm assuming its a forgeowrld somewhere.
I must admit they kept the other two quiet, I knew they were going to do them, and this month's White Dwarf even hinted at it, but I must say it was a pleasant surprise to see they are all being released together.
I think the most exciteing thing at the moment is news that IA:6 (aka Siege of Vraks Part 2) is due out in March.
But that Shadowsword is mighty tempting.
Not that quiet, as well as the Shadowsword, both the other two conversion kits were pictured painted in the relevant Datafax's in Imperial Armour: Apocolypse
I think the most exciteing thing at the moment is news that IA:6 (aka Siege of Vraks Part 2) is due out in March.
But seeing as how FW can't really keep up with the demand it does have for its models
A quick update....for those of you who have DKoK or are planning on expanding into them...or just like their gear....FW is making weapons packs for them now...Enjoy!
DKoK Gear (http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/dkkequip.htm)
I'm not too fond of the old-school Marines...
...so who's addicted enough to FW to dish out that kind of cash? ;)
Why.... why boss? Why didn't you see the rules for the IG Infantry Company?? ;D
Looking forward to Apocalypse Reloaded now.
So 30 mega vulcan bolter shots? Very nicee!
Imperial Minotaur (http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/minotaur.htm)
Try SGD. 200 bucks! And that's without counting shipping.
But that's something to aspire to. Knowing GW and their lack of dual firing ordance weapons though, I'm willing to guess that that's a twin-linked Basilisk shot. With better armour (thank goodness!).
But that's something to aspire to. Knowing GW and their lack of dual firing ordance weapons though, I'm willing to guess that that's a twin-linked Basilisk shot. With better armour (thank goodness!).
Really? Gee, I've always thought the Macharius was twin-linked. My bad.
I know! let's drive BACKWORDS to point out guns to the enemy!
Brilliant!
They had a store copy of BOTH IAV6 and FW Masterclass books...As a FW maniac that I am I nearly had a heartattack....So some bits to water your mouths with then....
QuoteThey had a store copy of BOTH IAV6 and FW Masterclass books...As a FW maniac that I am I nearly had a heartattack....So some bits to water your mouths with then....
I got hold of it last night......spent most of the evening with my nose buried in it muttering something about 'my preciousssss'.
The book is seriously pretty, and I'm impressed that there's quite a lot of background, and a few scenarios, for the battlefleet gothic and aeronautica imperialis campaigns (Xaphan's troops forced back to citadel = many defence laser silos destroyed = aerospace opened up...a bit) as well as 40k.
I wonder if the changes to the Advisor rule will make it into the new IG codex (please let that answer be yes).
Did they give the death korp a new ability other than die hards as right now die hards does nothing?
At the moment it is.
However I should note that the rules merely list the special rule 'Die Hards' for engineers rather than listing out in detail what it does, so it's quite possible that a new definition of the rule might pop up at some point.
I find the facial expression of the mask quite weird though, doesn't have that angry look.
Mounted DKoK Commissar, Limited FW ModelDO WANT.
Funnily enough, the power fist looks like the same size that the rhino!Cool, right? You can model a Chaos Rhino about to be smash in it's hands. ;D
I'm not sure how much longer I can resist emptying out my bank account and ordering a Reaver.
I'm not too fond of the melta cannon, but that titan CCW is pure gold.
QuoteMounted DKoK Commissar, Limited FW ModelDO WANT.
When's it coming out?
Some trial rules may be produced before hand though.
Some trial rules may be produced before hand though.
Will probably be overpriced and ineffective, but that's Forge World for ya.
New for the Elysians is the Tauros Venator, a six-wheeled rapid strike and scout vehicle. Light, fast and heavily armed, these all terrain attack vehicles are used for rapid reconnaissance and savage lightning raids in support of the drop troop landings. Designed by Will Hayes, with Elysian crewmen by Simon Egan, this full resin model comes with the choice to mount either a twin-linked multi-laser or twin-linked lascannon as well as optional hunter-killer missiles.
Pure wild arsed guessing speculation but I wouldn't mind the Valk varient being able to carry one of these onto the board. Zip up the side and let loose some swift wheeled shoeing.
I see an SAS style fast attack force forming in my mind....
Pure wild arsed guessing speculation but I wouldn't mind the Valk varient being able to carry one of these onto the board. Zip up the side and let loose some swift wheeled shoeing.
Like a Bren carrier? Starting to sound like the Elysians are turning into the LRDG. (http://www.lrdg.org/LRDG-Photo-gallery(historical).htm)
Pure wild arsed guessing speculation but I wouldn't mind the Valk varient being able to carry one of these onto the board.
Anyone else want to hazard some guesses just to see how close we are to the real thing?
Well Speculating on rules is not this post reason for existing, there is a whole rumors forum dedicated to that.
Screw it then, I will use them as odd looking thudd guns. Now i am not as excited about getting the book :(
im not sure i'd feel comfortable chopping up the nice FW snipers!
Thats a fantastic looking vehicle, I prefere it to its bigger 6 wheeled brother.
At £30 its a a snip. Will have to get me a few of these. Would it be wrong to put cadian models in it?
Any word of IA8s release date yet anyone?
Wow! Roughly 60 bucks a pop, so much for running a squadron of them. Guess I will stick to drop sentinels. Any word of IA8s release date yet anyone?
IA8 is now availible. and the discription confirms that the Elysians are detailed in it
http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Warhammer-40000/Imperial_Armour_Books/IMPERIAL-ARMOUR-8-RAID-ON-KASTOREL-NOVEM.html (http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Warhammer-40000/Imperial_Armour_Books/IMPERIAL-ARMOUR-8-RAID-ON-KASTOREL-NOVEM.html)
They need to make more Elysians instead of all these half-assed Cadian add on packs.
I like the new cadian conversion sets. They would make great looking Vets w/Carapace conversions if your looking to run your vets like that. The Special weapons are the same ones as the ones from Taros, except for the hose running into the helmet. These are nice sculpts and new Malcador is hot! I like the big flame cannon that's really cool. :)That's what I was thinkin', they would make nice Grenadiers. Painted with a diffierent scheme and they'll be my Snowtroopers. Oh look, they got three plasmaguns, how nice!
The new SWS Squads look cool, the tankers seem like a rehash of previous older kits....the new command squad look cool with the rebreather mask.
But they are still the same models...just with rebreathers... I mean is anyone else outraged by this? I certainly am.