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Stunned flyer moving over models
« on: August 31, 2015, 02:00:08 PM »
When a flyer is stunned, what happens when there is a model at the final location it is required to move towards?

Removed description of what happens when a flyer is stunned.  Operate under the assumption that everyone is familiar with the rules, or can easily reference them.  --- GML
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Re: Stunned flyer moving over models
« Reply #1 on: August 31, 2015, 02:04:06 PM »
It crashes, I believe. If you can't place the model and you can't alter its movement, it's game over.

I might be thinking of 6th Edition, though. Might be one of those little things that changed in 7th.

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Re: Stunned flyer moving over models
« Reply #2 on: August 31, 2015, 05:16:53 PM »
The rule you are looking for can be found on page 84 under Zoom.  It is the last sentence in the first paragraph, which deals with what happens if a zooming flyer is forced to move less than the minimum distance allowed.
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Re: Stunned flyer moving over models
« Reply #3 on: September 9, 2015, 11:21:21 AM »
Except it isn't forced to move less than its normal distance... it moves exactly as described in the stun result, but then there's a model there.

You're telling me a grot can pull down a stormraven by virtue of existing?

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Re: Stunned flyer moving over models
« Reply #4 on: September 9, 2015, 12:10:57 PM »
Except it isn't forced to move less than its normal distance... it moves exactly as described in the stun result, but then there's a model there.

Which would force you, according to the rules, to move less than its normal distance.

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Re: Stunned flyer moving over models
« Reply #5 on: September 9, 2015, 01:17:55 PM »
huuu i was asking myself the same question and at some point i belive it is said that when moving a flyer you can pose it where ever you want if you need space the model under can be moved i believe there is such a things somewhere, so that should apply with the stun result aswell should it not?
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Re: Stunned flyer moving over models
« Reply #6 on: September 9, 2015, 01:23:11 PM »
I'll need to check the wording, but I'm fairly certain you can't just move enemy models around. Flyers, to my knowledge, aren't permitted to occupy the same space as enemy models.

Somebody with a book on-hand needs to double-check that, though.

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Re: Stunned flyer moving over models
« Reply #7 on: September 9, 2015, 02:07:07 PM »
Correct. I used my tac squad to bring down a stunned flyer simply by being on the ground and looking at it. Its dumb. Problem with now having a 3d battle space on a 2d table. And that's how gw decided to deal with it. the flyer base can co exist with a friendly base but not an enemy base. That is the raw. Just interpret it as the pilot losing control. I decided to let my opponent choose to fly the flyer into the ground into my tac squad without scatter for a kamikaze death dive!
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Re: Stunned flyer moving over models
« Reply #8 on: September 9, 2015, 09:36:33 PM »
Except it isn't forced to move less than its normal distance... it moves exactly as described in the stun result, but then there's a model there.

You're telling me a grot can pull down a stormraven by virtue of existing?
But you can't move within an inch of the enemy, and can't move more than the minimum distance for zooming flyers.  To not stop within an inch, and not exceed the allowed distance, you are forced to reduce your speed, which you can't do.
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Re: Stunned flyer moving over models
« Reply #9 on: September 10, 2015, 04:02:08 AM »
Well, fortunately, my LGC decided that was dumb, and instead have agreed that a stunned flyer continues to move the minimum distance necessary to clear opposing models, and if it ends up touching the board edge, it goes into ongoing reserves as normal.

I also still don't see how it's forcing you to move less distance.  The rule just says you can't voluntarily move your flyer within 1" of an opposing model, but doesn't say what happens if you are forced to do exactly that.  It says you crash if you are forced to move less than the minimum move, but landing on an enemy model doesn't actually state that you are then forced to reduce your distance.  I still see it as a situation without an explicit prcedure.

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Re: Stunned flyer moving over models
« Reply #10 on: September 10, 2015, 09:00:11 AM »
The rule doesn't say "voluntarily;" it says you cannot place your flyer (or any model) within 1" of an enemy model, period.

The procedure is quite explicit. If you are stunned, you must move a precise distance (and only that distance). If you would be forced to land on top of an enemy model, you cannot move that distance. If you cannot move that distance, you crash.

That's it. It has always been this way, for two editions now. It is an extension of the model placing rules that dates back literal decades. Sorry man. Them's the breaks.

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Re: Stunned flyer moving over models
« Reply #11 on: September 10, 2015, 09:29:20 AM »
Well, fortunately, my LGC decided that was dumb, and instead have agreed that a stunned flyer continues to move the minimum distance necessary to clear opposing models, and if it ends up touching the board edge, it goes into ongoing reserves as normal.

That's entirely up to you on whether your group wants to house rule or not, but be aware that it is not the rule and if you play in a tournament you may get called on it.
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