Topic: They're invincible

[the_mighty_brain]

Now please correct me if I'm wrong....but.

If you had an entire 1,500pts army almost consisiting purely of necron warriors....would you EVER be able to kill them all with a standard tournament designed force?

[Mr Solitaire]

Of course. Simply bring some leman russ tanks or a handful of starcannons, plasmacannons....

I really don't think that necrons are invincible, in fact, they're one of the "weaker" armies in 40k. They never lost a game in the White Dwarf (at least in the german WD) you might say now, but can you think of any army loosing a battle in WD when they first came out  

[Tobab816]

They are certainly not the weakest. But they arn't invincible. I've defeated Necrons  3 out of 4 games now.

As for an army that consists entirely of Necron warriors. Never seen it actually.

Consider that he can have about 75 warriors in a 1500 point army I wouldn't consider it unbeatable. They arn't as bad as spacemarines. Ok, so they CAN comeback. But they don't have the "They shall know no fear" rule. Bring a squad to less than 50% and break it and it stays broken...and I believe I have the firepower to take out 40-50 necron warriors.

[Warsmith Cobalt Thrax]

And if you take the phase out rule, lower the army to 25% of its original size, and you automatically win.  And not all Necrons can come back and not alwasy will they come back.  Power weapons and weapons with AP better than their save destroy their ability to self-repair.  So they ain't all that hard to beat.

[Rliyen]

You just have to remember the simple stuff:

Power weapons and double strength weapons will keep them down.  The only thing that can stop that is a Resurrection Orb and the Lords can't be EVERYWHERE, now can they?

Played them many times and beat them back every time with IG.

They're like Space Marines on Paper... BUT THEY'RE SLOW!  My my.... An army I'd LIKE to Assault with IG!

If you have no vehicles in your army, then you've just taken away 50% of their coolness factor (glance on a six) and since none of the IG have super high toughness, you simply leave them with WBB.

They're so easy to outshoot, it's sad.

Especially with the army list you've suggested.

[the_mighty_brain]

You all seem to totally misunderstand me.

I'm talking about if Necorns were intered in a tournament.

Now think of a tournament army. An army that will be geared to attempt to cover every eventuality and will not be specialised to deal with necrons.

What about that?

And what if you had 2 lords, each leading a squad of 20 necron warriors?

[AiR]

I play black templars and I can never outshoot them so i always go charge them with my champion. Maybe you could get your scorpions and banshees to charge them, put them into a wave serpent so they could get into battle faster. Treat them as marines that come back. You have many weapons which are instant kill. Brightlance,star cannon, banshee's power weapons etc.

[Farseer_Sting]

thats an easy one just put a howling banshee exarch down in front of him nock him on his arse then chop him into little bitty peices then let the other girls do there work!

[Grim Stalker]

yea i think those necrons are a little TOO good - in some games they are invincible, yet in some others they are hopeless...


grim

[Rhysk]

I basically, treat them like SMurfs. They are pretty much SMurfs with the WBB rule instead on transports. Based on that I don't find them all that intimidating.

[SparqMan]

yea i think those necrons are a little TOO good - in some games they are invincible, yet in some others they are hopeless...

grim

Like every army in 40k. In some games my army gets shot to piece before it reached the enemy, and sometimes I get there without a scratch on a Rhino and unload right up on them -- and often times I get both results against the same army. The Necrons look interesting to play, as you must protect your troop ranks with something other than an APC.

[the_mighty_brain]

scarabs are pretty fast and good at holding up units.

How would you guys overcome and army of 2 squads of 20 warriors, each led by a lord with warscythe and resurrection orbs. Another squad of 10 necrons and then 15 bases of scarabs?

[Archon Xanath]

3 Ravagers w/ 3 Disintegrators each.

Archon w/ Punisher and 5 Incubi.

Wyches w/ Agonizer-wielding Succubus.

The usual, really.  :)

Archon Xanath

[Tobab816]

There really isn't much difference between the SMs an Necrons. On one side you have WBB, on the other "TSKNF". The only real difference is higher ld and better gun vs higher initiative..all at a 3 points difference.

Treat Necrons as Chaos marines and you should be fine.

[Errgin]

A biel-tan force, balanced but slanted towards killing mutated monkeys, can take out a necron army without a real big problem, especially if you take a firepower variant.  A couple squads of reapers, some warwalkers and banshees hiding in a serpent.

[Farseer_Sting]

Well dark reepers come to mind since the only thing they get then is the WBB rule. personally i like it when my oppent deep strike things into my back yard. Oh you cant move?? oh thats to bad??? oh whats that u scatered off the table edge oh what was the 225 points down the drain i feel so bad for you? Oh its turn 4 on half your army still hasn't come in oh i feel sooooooo sorry for ya .  So go ahead and use deep strikers, give me the advantage for a couple of turns!

[Lecron]

They may not be able to move when they deep strike, but what do ncrons care they don't want to move, they just open fire. Necrons just like to shoot. You might have the advantage for a couple of turns, and its not very often that someone deep strikes off the table.

[Mystic511]

well, in terms of tournies, i'd say DE armies, tau armies, and eldar armies could handle them with no problems, since all three are pretty shooty.

Tau just have pure firepower and should phase out necrons before they even come close enough to hurt them.

Dark Eldar have speed and one of the deadliest HQ squads out of all the armies.

Eldar have dark reapers.  Need I say more?  =P  If i do, then howling banshees.

For the other armies, i'd say IG shouldn't have a problem.  A tank or three will take care of anything.

SM and Chaos should be fine, it would just be like fighting themselves, except their necron counterparts would get back up.

Right now, necrons are slow.  When the monolith comes out, that could be a problem, since that will give alot of speed to necrons.  In theory anyway.

[Lecron]

the monolith does give them some speed, but they do have some fast units already, the wraiths, swarms, and both kinds of destroyers. Those seem to have good speed, and the swarms, are just anoying. Get those swarms up there and let them harass them till you get like flayed ones in there or your wraiths. But I do agree on the DE HQ, I hate that thing when Im playing the Eldar, and they arent nice, I'm still yet the pleasure to go against them as the Necrons.

[Tycho]

yes you could do that