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Title: Painting an Iyanden Waveserpent (Blog for the PoC) Very Pic Heavy
Post by: -V- on August 1, 2008, 03:57:07 PM
Well I am at it again.  I enjoyed doing my last tutorial so much that I thought that I would do something similar with my wave serpent as my Farseer thread recieved a fair amount of interest.  I think though, what I enjoyed most was the blogging type aspect of that in taking WIPS and showing my progress.... its not something I had done before really so I thought I shall turn this into more of a blog than a tutorial.

Anyways I've had this laying in a draw waiting for attention since before last christmas and I figured it was about time that it saw some love.

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So I started off undercoating everything on the sprue before cutting all the pieces of to do a dry run to figure out how this thing goes together.  The areas that were mainly going to be yellow were given a white undercoat and the underneath parts of the chassis were primed in Black. 

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So far all the yellow areas have been given a Yellow Ink wash, this makes my life so much easier when it comes to the next stages with the yellow because it gives a strong basecoat to work from.   Also Yellow Ink is my faveourite of the old GW inks because its very strong but strangely it doesnt dry glossy unlike the other inks.

After this all the blue areas were given 2-3 thin washes of Regal blue.  This had to be a minimum of 3 thin coats because the first 2 layers do not cover all the yellow and so the first 2 coats have a slight greenish tint to them. Also because we are dealing with an Eldar vehicle you cannot get away with one thick coat because it will make the model look rough and instead of having a nice, sleek look.

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I will paint all the blue areas up to their final highlight before I begin the Yellow areas highlights... this is for one simple reason.... blue is easier to correct mistakes on than yellow... If blue gets on yellow that would be hell... where as if yellow got onto blue that can be cleared up very easily with a couple of thin licks of paint.  And it should end up looking like this (from my Fire Prism that I finished recently)

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More to come soon
Title: Re: Painting an Iyanden Waveserpent (Blog for the PoC)
Post by: Blaze182 on August 1, 2008, 08:06:39 PM
Looking pretty good so far, nice clean job. Looking forward to seeing the rest XD

How did you prime black? as in.. did it manage to cover most of the parts well with it on the sprue??
Title: Re: Painting an Iyanden Waveserpent (Blog for the PoC)
Post by: -V- on August 2, 2008, 04:35:04 AM
undercoating on the sprue is what I ussually do, and it gives great coverage.  The only tiny tiny problem with doing it that way is that you are left with tiny dots of un-undercoated parts because of where the sprue joins the pieces.  But thats very easy to sort out with a small amount of paint any way.
Title: Re: Painting an Iyanden Waveserpent (Blog for the PoC)
Post by: Arkion on August 2, 2008, 09:18:49 AM
I actually like that I can see the brush strokes.  Dynamically painted.  Iyanden is my favorite eldar color scheme, so maybe I'm biased, but so far so good!
Title: Re: Painting an Iyanden Waveserpent (Blog for the PoC)
Post by: -V- on August 4, 2008, 04:04:26 PM
Here is a small update:

The blue areas have been done.... although I am not very happy with them... I experimented with glazing for the first time on this model and it was a disaster... I dont know whether I watered my paints down too much or if it was because I didnt use a releasing agent but I ended up getting 'tide' markings in the areas I glazed... so I had to go over this with the same watered down paint about 10 times to get a solid non wavey colour back and I then hit it with another highlight.... I will keep experimenting with Glazing because I need it for an upcoming army project so if anyone has any advice at all about glazing and can help me out at all........ there are cookies on offer....... so please help.

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I also got the Pilot done, he is probably my least faveourite bit of the Eldar tank kits to paint because hes so boring and doesnt really add much to the model apart from making the see through canopies look more realistic and characterful.

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Now some one earlier... forgive me I cannot remember your name off hand right now was asking about magnetising the weapons options on a wave serpent.  I decided when I started this model that I was going to experiment with magnets, again, practice for my upcoming project... and have done so with some degree of success.  Here is where I put the magnets and its worked fairly well although I think I can do better in the future.

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I drilled a hole into the side of the weapon casing through the slot for the weapons axel.  I then magnetised both ends of the weapon axel and the magnets in the casing and the axels then meet.  I used 1mm X 1mm magnets from e-magnetsuk.com and they are incredibly fiddly... so next time i might go a little larger or find some other way apart from my fingers to hold and position the magnets where I need them.  I hope that helps you mate.

Thanks everyone... comments, criticisms and all the help I can get on glazing will be much appreciated.

P.S since these pics I have glued the chassis and the fuselage together with the pilot tucked away inside his cockpit.
Title: Re: Painting an Iyanden Waveserpent (Blog for the PoC)
Post by: Avatar of the Eldar on August 4, 2008, 07:52:36 PM
Here is a small update:

Now some one earlier... forgive me I cannot remember your name off hand right now was asking about magnetising the weapons options on a wave serpent.  I decided when I started this model that I was going to experiment with magnets, again, practice for my upcoming project... and have done so with some degree of success.  Here is where I put the magnets and its worked fairly well although I think I can do better in the future.

I drilled a hole into the side of the weapon casing through the slot for the weapons axel.  I then magnetised both ends of the weapon axel and the magnets in the casing and the axels then meet.  I used 1mm X 1mm magnets from e-magnetsuk.com and they are incredibly fiddly... so next time i might go a little larger or find some other way apart from my fingers to hold and position the magnets where I need them.  I hope that helps you mate.

Thanks everyone... comments, criticisms and all the help I can get on glazing will be much appreciated.

P.S since these pics I have glued the chassis and the fuselage together with the pilot tucked away inside his cockpit.

Big thanks! I can see what I was missing. My smallest magnets are 2mm diameter.

Yes, even the 1/16th (2mm) are fiddly. Can't count how many times I've glued them to my fingers instead of the model.

Amazing magnets only goes down to 1/16th diameter, not 1/32.  I'll scour the net.

By the way, beautiful layering with those colors. Thanks for taking the time to post these photos.
Title: Re: Painting an Iyanden Waveserpent (Blog for the PoC)
Post by: moc065 on August 4, 2008, 10:44:22 PM
Valar, this is great stuff, as it will help many people paint better and inspire many of use to actually get back to work..

I do have one suggestion though, more pics... I know it sounds weird but you may want to pic one very small area and show 5-15 pics just the process of working the one colour (Blue or Yellow). Your didscriptions are great; but pics would just help those newb's that much more.

PS... I will be doing a Saim-Hann Fireprism soon, and although I have painted plenty, I will be using some of the concepts you went over in this article, so thanks for the reminders and the insiration.

CaHG
Title: Re: Painting an Iyanden Waveserpent (Blog for the PoC)
Post by: XCrusaderguy01 on August 4, 2008, 10:50:58 PM
If you hate painting cockpits, maybe try doing some simple lighting effects? I saw a WS or Falcon in WD that had a positively amazing look for the cockpit. It appeared to be flooded with green light, like night vision or a heads-up display. It looked great. However, it was a black vehicle so im not sure it would go with yours. maybe a blue glow?
Title: Re: Painting an Iyanden Waveserpent (Blog for the PoC)
Post by: -V- on August 5, 2008, 04:57:10 AM
If you hate painting cockpits, maybe try doing some simple lighting effects? I saw a WS or Falcon in WD that had a positively amazing look for the cockpit. It appeared to be flooded with green light, like night vision or a heads-up display. It looked great. However, it was a black vehicle so im not sure it would go with yours. maybe a blue glow?

I had previously tried painting the cockpits to show reflections of the terrain as I had seen some pretty effective paint jobs with this done but it didnt go well so I had to pull apart my fire prism to get the canopies off and then I was stuck without canopies for a while until I was able to get hold of some... Thanks Moc and Laz.

Valar, this is great stuff, as it will help many people paint better and inspire many of use to actually get back to work..

I do have one suggestion though, more pics... I know it sounds weird but you may want to pic one very small area and show 5-15 pics just the process of working the one colour (Blue or Yellow). Your didscriptions are great; but pics would just help those newb's that much more.

PS... I will be doing a Saim-Hann Fireprism soon, and although I have painted plenty, I will be using some of the concepts you went over in this article, so thanks for the reminders and the insiration.

CaHG

Thanks for the encouragement Moc, its great to have some one of your experience and standing getting behind me to encourage me and offer advice on how to make the most out of this.  I will see what I can do about more pics... Ive just started doing the yellow areas so now would be a good place to start that.

More to come today me thinks.
Title: Re: Painting an Iyanden Waveserpent (Blog for the PoC)
Post by: -V- on August 5, 2008, 10:12:44 AM
I know this is a double post but its an important update.  Taking what Moc065 suggested I have taken lots of 'wonderful' pics of the next stage that I did.  I very simply went over the whole model with 2 - 3 thin coats of Golden Yellow to build up a strong base which I work up from.  I also improved the Blue areas and Im much happier with it now.

Also I took a pic to show the magnetised undercarriage where I can swap out the shuri cannon and catapult depending on my primary armament.

First three pics show where I am overall, The blue is finished although i am thinking of doing a final extreme highlight on the very edges of certain plates but I dont know if I want to touch the blue any more lol.

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These shots show the final effect on the engine plates, I love the blue around these bits now, the glazing here didnt turn out as bad as the rest of the model for some reason, I think maybe that was because it was on a smaller area and so I had more control over where the paint went and less movement in the water.  I am almost certain now that the tide marks were caused because I didnt use a releasing agent such as Glazing agent or dishwashing liquid to break the surface tension of the water.... lesson learnt.

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Magnetised weapons option.  This was done by placing a magnet into the weapons pivot underneath the chassis and then I trimmed away the little nubs on the inside connection of both the shuri cannon and catapult, lastly a magnet was added in to the bottom of the weapon... I cant word this very well so I will take some pics to really show exactly where the magnets went on the weapons.

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As I said much happier with the blue... particularly around the engine areas and starting on the next step of yellow which is a highlight of sunburst yellow.
Title: Re: Painting an Iyanden Waveserpent (Blog for the PoC)
Post by: Avatar of the Eldar on August 5, 2008, 11:17:45 AM
Although I've never been a fan of Iyanden's color scheme, I have to say your painting is very compelling.  Nice depth to those colors.  Also, I applaud your patience with the unsatisfactory results from the glazing experiment.

I might have walked away from the model for a month or two in disappointment, but you soldiered on with multiple coats to cover it up.

Let me know if you get any tips on this technique as I'm venturing into it myself.

Well done and thanks for sharing!
Title: Re: Painting an Iyanden Waveserpent (Blog for the PoC)
Post by: moc065 on August 5, 2008, 11:24:24 AM
Great, no add some comments between each pic to tell the viewer exactly what to look for.

And I find it hard to believe that you are not going to try and shade the recesses next, as if you do the Highlihgts and fudge the Shade, a lot of time/work will be lost...

Seriously, Shade the Recesses, then one last coat of Golden to touch up, and then go into the highlights... Sunburst Yellow, and even add some white to it for final touches.

CaHG
Title: Re: Painting an Iyanden Waveserpent (Blog for the PoC)
Post by: -V- on August 5, 2008, 11:53:47 AM
Although I've never been a fan of Iyanden's color scheme, I have to say your painting is very compelling.  Nice depth to those colors.  Also, I applaud your patience with the unsatisfactory results from the glazing experiment.

I might have walked away from the model for a month or two in disappointment, but you soldiered on with multiple coats to cover it up.

Let me know if you get any tips on this technique as I'm venturing into it myself.

Well done and thanks for sharing!

Ha patience... it was more like desperation... lol If I hadnt been doing this blog and there was no pressure for me finishing this model I'd probably have thrown it aside out of frustration but thankfully I didnt and I have learned alot from carrying on with it regardless, and I think this will help me in the future.... And thanks for the compliment of my scheme, the Iyanden scheme has always  been my faveourite for some reason I honestly dont know why but I think it can look awesome if done right, its a shame because in the latest Eldar codex the models shown for Iyanden are done awfully and I can imagine put lots of people off.

@Moc comments added between pics to briefly explain, now I dont know if I will be going back and shading.  The yellow is darker in real life, unfortunatly its been made lighter by the camera and already there is noticable difference between the sunburst and the golden yellows... I take my Iyanden vehicles up quite light to a final 50:50 bad moon and white extreme highlight so the shading between the plates will be much more noticable as things go on... but saying that if I dont think there is enough shade I will go back and using thinned golden yellow and perhaps a touch of brown added into that paint the recesses between the plates very carefully, its what I did to rescue the blue and finish it up so I know it can be done.
Title: Re: Painting an Iyanden Waveserpent (Blog for the PoC)
Post by: -V- on August 7, 2008, 02:47:45 AM
Another major update.  So last you all saw I was up to the 2nd basecoat of Golden yellow.  Since then I have gotten up to badmoon in certain areas but the majority of the model is still in golden yellow.

I spent monday evening working on a base for this, I had a very old well beaten falcon laying around.  It was one of my brothers friend's before he gave up.  Thankfully my brother is still interested and carrying on regadless.  This thing had a hideous lumpy green paintjobwhich I scrapped off using a hobby knife and then I went about making it look like a heavily shot up damaged engine, it will be painted to show heavy heavy battle damage.... but first Ive got to work out a way that I can paint my scheme with battle damage since its not something ive ever done.

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Here is where I am up to on the right hand side of the model (when facing towards me).  Ive got up to badmoon yellow highlights.  I worked through Sunburst yellow highlights and then onto badmoon.  Each highlight is about 5-7 layers of very thin paint to build up a gradual but defined shaded area and highlighted area.

Unfortunatly I havent been able to get photos I am happy with, it might be the camera I am using, its not the one I used to show my Farseer and its very old, or it might be that I am photographing it on a white background which is bleaching out the highlights and shade making it look like Ive not done much.  I will try the next few pics on a dark backgroud.

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Hopefully this image will show you the difference between the left and right hand sides.  The right hand side has been highligted up to badmoon yellow.  I think I have 2 more highlight stages to do on it.  One more tone up using a mix of white and yellow and then and even paler extreme highlight on the very edges of some plates.

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This one shows the overall effect on the right side quite nicely.

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Ive decided to paint the rear part (I have no idea what the name for this part is) blue because otherwise I think there will be too much yellow and the paintjob will be unbalanced.

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Thats all for now, I hope you all enjoy this update.  The model is definitely coming on quite quickly and if I have a good day working on it today I think I can finish the entire right hand side.  Im looking to having this tank finished in the next week or so and once it is finished all I have to do is paint 5 Wraithguard and my entire 1500 point Iyanden army is fully painted.  Then its time to start a new Eldar army... in a wraithbone colour scheme I think.... unless I find it too hard to leave my Iyanden painting ways behind.
Title: Re: Painting an Iyanden Waveserpent (Blog for the PoC) Very Pic Heavy
Post by: moc065 on August 7, 2008, 07:55:16 AM
Now your tutorial is really getting there as you can clearly see some of the layered effect in certain pics... They are really looking very very good.... Nice to see that your taking your time and your tutorial has brought up a few good points, so let me fire some stuff back at you.

1... The pics and "Bleaching" of colours.... The #1 reason for this is Lighting, although a Darker backgroudn may help, true light is different from the light you get off of a Bulb. Now you can go and get a "True Light" bulb to help with this, or you can use different backgrounds, difusers, flashes (or lack there of), etc... there are several methods I have been exploring; but seriously I am no Photographer and my work is a long wasy from being excellent either. I suggest you experiement with it, take stuff outside, whatever to see what works best for your camera.

2... The rear section being Blue or Yellow.... or Ratios of Paint..... You hit the nail right on the head when you said that the figure would look overly yellow if you had taken that route.... and many people do not understand that all paint jobs requrie "Off-sets" to show their true beauty... Well done in recognizing this; but even better done to point it out to others.... Cheers.

3... Thin Layers... Maybe you should let people know that you paint is so thinned out for the progressive layers, that you can actually read a newspaper through it (if you happen to put some on a newspaper)... Anyway, you get my point, the thinner paint used in layers is exponationally better than trying to use thick paint and some fancy technique (for the average guy). And don't get me wrong, the gusy (like No Remorse) that can succesfully Blend any paints are awesome; but not all of use (me included) can do this well. So progressive use of thin paints is often just as good ro even better for us to use.

4... Battle Damge... and this is just a sugestion, on amethod I have used.... Paint the area as you would normally paint (use the Yellow and Blue's your using on the figure) Do the area with shade and highlights; but it doesn't ahve to be prefect.... Then use Black in the recesses of the battle damaged areas themselves.... Then use Gunbolt Metal inside the black (leaving a thin edge of black) to show the damage itself.... Then use a Wash or Glaze aroudn the area to show burns, scortches, or soot marks....  It may not be the best method; but it works well enough and its easy enough for the average guy to pull off well.

I hope that helps, and the figure is looking great.

CaHG
Title: Re: Painting an Iyanden Waveserpent (Blog for the PoC) Very Pic Heavy
Post by: prot on August 7, 2008, 10:06:56 AM
Wow. I respect anyone taking on a yellow army, but you've gone the extra mile on this one. Beautiful job. Very subtle highlighting.... the type that has a nice overall effect on the model without being 'obnoxious' when viewed from up close. I really like how you've done this so far. Nice job.
Title: Re: Painting an Iyanden Waveserpent (Blog for the PoC) Very Pic Heavy
Post by: Starrakatt on August 7, 2008, 11:43:47 AM
   Very nice looking work so far Valar, I am amazed of your patience with coats after coats of thinned paint job, wow.
   I refrained to comment up to now since I'm not that great a painter and wouldn't have added something significant (just like now) to the thread but I am following it closely though, thanks for the work and effort. :)

   On a final note, I quite like how you managed the yellow highlighting and you succeeded a very good job on the blue parts too.
   Also, do you, or will you paint colors on the Serpent's underside apart from black? I think it would be nice to have at least on pic from the finished underside with the highlights and all, just for show.

   And pray continue, that's great work!

   Starky
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Post by: Lord Alliben on August 7, 2008, 12:18:00 PM
Wow, thanks for the play by play. It's looking really good so far. I'm looking forward to seeing the completed pic, especially on the base.
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Post by: Banned Solorg on August 7, 2008, 12:52:39 PM
Beautiful work, Valar.  It is always a risk to paint with blue and yellow.  Too many chances for messing it up.  But your model looks fantastic.  Very sharp and clean!
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Post by: -V- on August 7, 2008, 03:27:32 PM
Thanks every one for the encouragement and feedback.  Its soo good to hear that youre all enjoying this and all the complements are keeping me really motivated.  Thanks Guys. 

@Moc, thanks so much for your kind words also.  I will take on your advice for photographing the model and have a play with the camera tomorrow probably.

@Starky.  The underneath will probably remain black as its a nice contrast to the yellow and my Falcon and Fire prism have already been painted with a black underneath.  Although naturally this will be highlighted and given some attention and I will not forget to show this in some pics and explain what I did.

More to come soon... I havent had a chance to work on it today.... unfortunatly I was distracted by Tenchu Wrath of heaven (awesome game) and changing work stations (some may know that I paint at both mine, and my girlfriends house while she is busy writing and to go from one house to the other requires packing and unpacking everything which gets a bit tedious.

But I promise an update probably tomorrow evening and hopefully I will have the right side finished apart from gems and black areas (and if im lucky or work like a demon even they will be finished).

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Post by: -V- on August 8, 2008, 03:46:59 PM
Ok next update for all you wonderful people who are keeping me focussed and encouraged on this project. Here is the news...

The yellow on the right hand side of the vehicle is done.... yes thats right its finished.  When I last left you all I had finished the bad mon yellow highlight and had asked for some advice about how to get some better pics so that it doesnt look all washed out.  Well since then I have finished 2 further highlights on that area. 

Highlight 1: 60:40 Bad moon yellow to white.  This was a general highlight like all the other steps have been, using thinned paint (if its not transclucent then its not thin enough) over the previous highlights dragging the paint towards the edges to achieve the graduated highlight that I have.

Highlight 2: an extreme highlight of 50:50 bad moon and white.  Again thin this done... but not too thin because you need to have good control over where it goes.  I did this on most edges on all the panels to really make them pop and I think it looks beautiful right now.  But Id like you all to judge for your selves.

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Hopefully you can all see the graduated tone. I really think that the extreme highlight has made the panels pop and accentuated the highlights and shading.  It gives an edge to an otherwise soft colour scheme.  Again I cant stress how thin the paints have to be to achieve as smooth a finish as possible... and that each layer needs to be dry before adding the next layer... luckily if the paint is thin enough you can blow on it to make it dry in seconds.  Also lastly on the yellow... I have attempted Glazing again on parts to tie all the shades together and with much more success than the blue... this was just very thin paint that i dragged over the shaded bits to lift them up a tiny bit... but what I learnt was that glazing is best done over small areas because you have more control over where the paint ends up so there is less risk of tide marks.

@Moc Do you see what I meant that the Golden Yellow base coat would be a dark enough shade?  I really think it looks beautiful and not too garish yellow.  Its a pale scheme but I think that if it wasnt pale and soft than it would bee waaay to over the top in your face yellow... and I have seen some Iyanden armies where the yellow is Waaay too overpowering.  Oh and I followed your advice about taking the pics outside and they have come out much better.

So where am I now? Well since these photos I have painted the right hand side of the hull up to the Bad moon yellow highlight.  I will take pics before I go any further with that but that will have to wait until morning because its too dark out to photo things now.

But here is a pic of it as it was one stage ago with a sunburst yellow highlight.

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And I have also started the umm transport capacity extended hull bit which is on the Serpent.... This bit...

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Thats up to a sunburst highlight there but right now its bad moon just like the top of the hull.

Still a long long way to go on this... im not even at halfway finished yet... I still have the entire left hand side, the blue bit at the back, the Turret which I think will also be blue to keep the balance between the colours and all the weapon options which will be wraithbone coloured.

Hope you all enjoy this update.

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Post by: moc065 on August 8, 2008, 06:28:37 PM
The true light from outside makes a huge difference. Awesome looking and now that I can actually see the yellow better I agree that the Shade is deep enough. Seriously the Yellow is truely amazing overall.

Your blue looks dull in comparison; So one more highlight to the blue may be required.

I also like the Offset colour scheme you picked for the gems (they are exactly what was needed).

So great work overall, and I look forward to the next update.... Did you raed the stuff I fired at you in regard to the Battle Damage on the Base ?

CaHG
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Post by: -V- on August 9, 2008, 04:47:38 AM
Yeh I read the stuff you said about painting the battle damage, and its going to be something I consider when I get closer to painting the base.  Im sure I will work something out closer to the time using the advice you have given me.

I do see what you mean by the blue but im not sure how I should fix this.. do I do a generic highlight? or do I do some extreme highlights aswell?
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Post by: Big Boss on August 9, 2008, 02:24:24 PM
Not to continue beating a dead horse, but absolutely stunning job with the yellow and the gems.  I'm actually looking forward to seeing your paint-job on the engines (moreso curiosity out of what colors you'll use and how they'll turn out).  Also, do you actually plan to paint the entire inside of the troop compartment?  It seems an odd choice to do now that this thing is glued together.
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Post by: DJ-of-E on August 9, 2008, 03:42:25 PM
I'm very much glad you've used my advice regarding yellow highlights from your Iyanden Farseer thread a few weeks back.  The yellow and white mix really does bring out the yellow in a whole new level doesn't it?
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Post by: moc065 on August 9, 2008, 05:27:23 PM
For the blue highlights you can just add in some White to whatever colour you used as your last highlight colour, and do super thin layers (as it might take 2) to get the blend bang on...

CaHG
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Post by: -V- on August 10, 2008, 05:31:34 AM
@Bigboss, no I dont intend to paint the troop compartment.  I intend on gluing the door shut because my previous experiences with leaving the hatch moveable are not good.  They either hang loose so its not flush to the model (looks bad) or an over entusiastic observer plays with the hatch to look inside and breaks it... and since this isnt a falcon I have no worries about the nub that holds the turret and chassis together falling into the main body and making the turret loose.

I dont know whether to do a normal highlight or an extreme one on the blue... any advice or oppinions are welcome. I would be using an ultramarine blue and white highlight just to brighten things up a little bit.
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Post by: moc065 on August 11, 2008, 09:15:55 AM
Normal highlight over the blues, with some extreme highlights on the really really high spots.

CaHG
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Post by: -V- on August 14, 2008, 04:53:43 PM
Hey everyone, sorry that I havent updated this in a long while.  Unfortunatly I have been too busy to work on this much this last week (Playing sport, family outings and re-unions and my girlfriends grandparents 80th this saturday... etc etc)

But I managed to find some time tonight and have finished the top half of the hull and it looks beautiful.  All the yellow is shaded and highlighted and it makes for a very pale yet strikingly vibrant and pretty colour and I am soo happy with this... All the gems are painted and varnished and the orange tint of them makes for a great contrast with the pale yellow.

So all I have left to do is one more highlight on the blue areas and all the blue at the back and on the turret, the weapons options in bone, the base and highlighting the black areas.  Also I need to figure out how I should paint the engines, now on my other vehicles the engines are just black but I think I need to do something different with this one since it will be the starting point for my second Iyanden force which I want to be  competitive in tournament play both game-wise and best painted army wise.   So any ideas or suggestions would be great thanks... I am willing to try things new to me or out of my depth because this is how people improve.

Sorry there are no pics tonight but my GF has stolen the camera and its been too wet out for the last few days to take any pics at all... expect pics on saturday evening or sometime Sunday. 

Once again I want to take the opportunity to thank everyone who has commented, contributed, and helped me out on this so far, I would not have achieved as good a result without your encouragement and support and advice, way to show community spirit guys.
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Post by: Two Blades as One, Samurai Ichirou on August 15, 2008, 09:24:50 PM
Tip of the hat to you Valar! Both the Serpent and it's base are topnotch works (the bases are my favourite). Really wonderful job.

焼き餅焼くとて手を焼くな
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Post by: web ghost on August 16, 2008, 07:59:53 PM
Great job on the yellow.  Those panels are just too nice.  I've been fighting the war on yellow now for so long with my Imperial Fists that I can't remember anything else....  I wonder how you go about covering over some of the places where the yellow ink pooled and left lines and such as you can see in the first stages and still maintain the lovely gradation from the deeper inkier yellow to the highlights.  I use flesh wash    -and golden yellow (as I'm sure you know) won't even cover over that so I have to go back over any trouble spots with white.  This sometimes ruins the aforementioned gradation.  You don't seem to have this problem.  How do you get around that or what are you doing to preserve the integrity of the deeper elements whilst getting rid of ink lines and blotches? 

Again, great job.
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Post by: -V- on August 16, 2008, 08:06:10 PM
@Webgohst:  The trick is that once I have done the Yellow ink wash I go all over this with 2-3 layers of thinned down Golden Yellow which then acts as my basecoat.  I dont leave any of the yellow ink showing at all its just purely there to strengthen the colour of the first few yellow coats to give a more vibrant colour... if I just did the yellow over white it would make it look paler and chalkier but the yellow ink really really helps make the colour more powerful.

Basically the trick is thinned down layers of golden yellow all over the inked areas leaving no ink showing.  Then from there is very thin paint highlighting up using feathering as the main highlighting technique.

Hope that helps, Ive been painting yellow for going on 4 years now I think so I have learnt through lots of trial and error and previous experiences.  I think I will post a pic of the first Iyanden Vehicle I ever paitned as a contrast to show how I have improved over these years.
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Post by: web ghost on August 16, 2008, 08:25:59 PM
Thanks a bunch.  I've found (and I'm using flesh wash not orange ink) that golden yellow won't sufficiently cover over ink or wash lines and I have to go over with white again.  As evidenced by your photos it looks like it can be done though. 

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  Hope that helps, Ive been painting yellow for going on 4 years now I think so I have learnt through lots of trial and error and previous experiences.  I think I will post a pic of the first Iyanden Vehicle I ever paitned as a contrast to show how I have improved over these years.
  Don't you hate that?  You never really learn how to paint your army until you are like 90% done.  I almost feel like completely starting over.
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Post by: -V- on August 16, 2008, 08:33:17 PM
Yes I do hate it lol.... and infact I am starting over again lol....(being a perfectionist sucks so hard)... I dont like my army build and I think I can do soo much better with a different list and make a much better appearing army (possibly even competitive at GTs for best painted army)... Im gunna do the same scheme but new 2000points army... Im loving Eldar at the minute and have IG incase I get bored so I think a second Iyanden army is in order anyway...

Gunna make me a blog of that one me thinks.
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Post by: Khain Mor (/kharandhil) on August 17, 2008, 11:05:30 AM
Yes I do hate it lol.... and infact I am starting over again lol....(being a perfectionist sucks so hard)... I dont like my army build and I think I can do soo much better with a different list and make a much better appearing army (possibly even competitive at GTs for best painted army)... Im gunna do the same scheme but new 2000points army... Im loving Eldar at the minute and have IG incase I get bored so I think a second Iyanden army is in order anyway...

Gunna make me a blog of that one me thinks.
What I did for my DE...I wanted a long time and converted here and there ...comverted a lot...and now I started painting it...and I'm pretty satisfied with hwo they look. I know I spend a lot of time converting and my painting is going well so far. Each time I'm done painting a unit I do'nt even wanna touch it anymore since I know I spend enough time building it...changing it and then painting it.

Be sure to spend enough time painting and converting and if you spend tons of time in both you'll have no other choice but to be satisfied...

Daimit now how many times did I not change my sybarites...how many times did I change my lords...my warriors...
At times I change stuff while I'm painting lol, but once it's fully painted I don't even wanna touch!
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Post by: Starrakatt on September 1, 2008, 10:57:34 AM
   Oy there Valar! It's been some time but I guess you got busy on something else, school beginning anew and all, but Ô painter extraordinary, you haven't posted the finished Serpent yet!

   And I really, and I mean REALLY long to see the entirely finished model. I mean, plz, don't let us down just before the finish line, 'kay?

   And yeah, that was begging if you didn't noticed. :D

   Starky
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Post by: -V- on September 1, 2008, 01:52:56 PM
Hahaha.... it feels good to be begged lol.  Well fear not my fellow spiritseer I shall not falter on this path.  This last week and a half I have been numerous short break Holidays with my girlfriend to Warwick and Dover but I am back on the case tonight.  All I have left to do is to take some pics of the finished blue, and paint the bone areas and base and take more photos and then I am done.  Sorry that this has been unproductive as of late but I will be back on course to finishing this as soon as possible for everyone here. 

Dont hold your breath but possibly pics tonight.....???
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Post by: -V- on December 25, 2008, 04:37:25 PM
Hello again everybody....

Wow its been a long time since I posted in this thread with an update but I vowed that it would be finished and the time has come to put my money where my mouth is and add the final touch to what I hope has been interesting/helpful/inspiring/or otherwise provoking thread for all who have read it and helped me on my way through this project.

So here we go: (i must appologise about the slightly fuzzy pics, my camera isnt the best and they were taken in less than optimal lighting today in my room, I shall hopefully update them with pics from my GF's camera asap)

The Blue and Yellow on the Turret and the rear door were done as previously discussed throughout this thread.  A final glaze of Regal blue and sunburst yellow were used on their respective areas to tie all the shading in and make it 'pop'

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The Wraithbone was painted in stages using a layering technique.  I started with a snakebite leather wash over a white basecoat.  Then over this I used about 4 or so thin layers of pure bleached bone.  The next highlight is 50:50 Bleached Bone and Skull White using 2 thin layers, and a final highlight of pure skull white.  This is a very thin mixture using about 2 coats only on the very brightest/highest areas to make it pop again... I might go back with some snakebite leather later on for extra depth to the weapon but I am not sure and want some oppinions on this before i do it as otherwise Im happy to call it finished.

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Now I cant remember if I have said how i do the gems at any point through this thread so here goes... bare with me if I have already said.

All gems are painted black, then over this I paint 3 quaters of the gem using thinned down red gore in a cresent shape.  The next stage is to paint thinned down blood red over the red gore leaving just a little showing (if your paints are thin enough it should blend in naturally).  Over the blood red goes blazing orange, again leaving some of the previous layers showing and finally fiery orange (now discontinued I believe).  Add a little dot of white into the top black part of the gem and after its try hit it with some gloss varnish.

I wanted to add some finishing touches to this model and really make it pop and for this i opted to use some transfers... they're simple but used in the right places and sparingly they are really effective.

So there we go... I hope eveyone who has read this finds it worth while, i enjoyed doing it and I will be doing another similar thread soon I think with my latest Wraithlord... it just helps to focus me on what I am doing and I like to contribute.  Please comment and critique if you so feel, and I hope you enjoyed it.
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Post by: 4084595657 on December 25, 2008, 08:03:48 PM
Overall i think thats a great looking tank you've got there, you should be proud..

just out of curiosity is the dynamic stand stable?

I find with most flying stands even with a normal pose they break easily :D
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Post by: -V- on December 26, 2008, 04:37:45 AM
Yeah its fairly stable but Ive not glued it into place, neither to the base nor to the tank just in case it does break and I have to replace it...

Ive not had good experiences with flying stands either, but I dont like how dowls look I like the see through 'invisible' effect.
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Post by: Starrakatt on December 26, 2008, 12:16:08 PM
Wow, glad to see the finished product Valar, thank you very much! Excellent painting there I must say, I like it all very much: All the colors are fitting, the blendings looks about perfect, gems are awesome, contrasts are very well made all great stuff - Also, I am jealous. :D

You asked about the EMLs: The bone color is about perect I'd say, same as on the hull's fins - Personnally I'd do some sort of shading or inking in the actual launching tubes to give them some depth, and why not do some of the weapon's gems like you did on the Force Field generator fins (the gems on them looks great)?

Just saying, as from here the guns look a 'very little' bit bland compared to the overall look of the tank. IMHO ;)

Keep it up dude,

   Starky
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Post by: -V- on December 26, 2008, 12:22:50 PM
yeah I think the same... the launcher tubes should be in shadow or darker than the rest of the bone because they dont really look like holes at the moment and I will think about the gems on them aswell... although that wont be for a little bit until i can get some black paint to actually do the first stage of them.

Thanks for the comments everyone... keep em coming