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GW not doing so well?
« on: January 9, 2007, 07:46:17 AM »
Hi guys, I was reading some stuff on dakka dakka while these forums were down, and I found this thread:

http://www.dakkadakka.com/Forums/tabid/56/forumid/6/postid/131720/view/topic/Default.aspx

which in particular refers to this report thingy:

http://investor.games-workshop.com/investor_relations/financial_results/Results2007/Interims/default.htm

Now the question that I have to ask is how bad is this news for GW?  Is it just a minor problem or a real emergency for GW (and potentially, us gamers)? 

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Re: GW not doing so well?
« Reply #1 on: January 9, 2007, 05:06:29 PM »
Did you not know that the only profit we know GW has is the profit it can't hide. The same goes for all bis business. They don't want to pay tax. Simple as that. That is just theory. But makes sense, GW isn't about bringing us games and models to play them with. They're about Profit. And if not showing the hidable profit means more profit, then it will be hid.
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Re: GW not doing so well?
« Reply #2 on: January 9, 2007, 06:45:39 PM »
Haha the funny thing is that as i check the stocks, they're currently having their biggest single drop in almost exactly 1 year:
http://uk.finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=GAW.L&t=2y&l=on&z=m&q=l&c=

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Re: GW not doing so well?
« Reply #3 on: January 9, 2007, 10:24:55 PM »
its been rising.

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Re: GW not doing so well?
« Reply #4 on: January 9, 2007, 10:53:15 PM »
i got a question

what do u think will happen to the community if GW goes bankrupt

stores will close, indpendent retailers will run out of stuff, games nights at these retailers will be cancelled

no new models

no new rules

everything will remain as broken as it currently is

my vote is that the mods of this forum should revise the rules, and everyone will have to get really good at converting lol
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Re: GW not doing so well?
« Reply #5 on: January 9, 2007, 10:57:23 PM »
i have to agree with alansar  although im sure i could gte better at converting lol



and he forgot one thing.these forums might close to .... THE HORROR
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Re: GW not doing so well?
« Reply #6 on: January 9, 2007, 11:13:46 PM »
ZOMG!!! 40k online will NOT close! just wont OK?!?!? :D

Seriously though i dont thinkg GW will go bankrupt. If it does we will all just have our lives back :D
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« Reply #7 on: January 9, 2007, 11:28:55 PM »
i havent had a life in a while ... what are they like and what should i do when i get one back ....( joke)

hmm i guess ill be pretty sad cuz ive been playing for 9 years now ... thats about half my life ...
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Re: GW not doing so well?
« Reply #8 on: January 10, 2007, 02:14:10 AM »
We commented on this a while ago. From the last fiscal year to this one that's currently going, they had a 70% drop in profits. That's...obscene, and yet at the AGM the GM announced that all was well, because he's a stupid prick. It's all gone a bit Enron: there is no bad news. You come along with bad news, you're fired
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Re: GW not doing so well?
« Reply #9 on: January 10, 2007, 03:49:20 AM »
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everything will remain as broken as it currently is

my vote is that the mods of this forum should revise the rules, and everyone will have to get really good at converting lol

It´s not so much the supposedly broken rules that are responsible for this situation. It´s the high cost of their (GW) products. Take a look at the age of the buyers that GW is aiming for nowadays. It must be 13 to 16. You can see this if you take a look at the development the WD has taken.
Problem is that these young players don´t have enough money to buy too many models which in turn results in fairly bad profits on behalf of GW.

My bet is most people with large armies or those that own more than two armies are adults with a job that allows them to collect and play this game.
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Re: GW not doing so well?
« Reply #10 on: January 10, 2007, 03:49:59 AM »
According to an articl;e I read the other day on the matter, they reported only £100k net profit. Which isn't good...

BUT, they themselves then said they know what's wrong, "bad habits etc" and that they're fixing them atm, and more effore and time will be going into |WHFB and 40k again.

And on a related note, I bought WD for the first time in about a year, and I must say I think the quality has gone back up again. :)

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Re: GW not doing so well?
« Reply #11 on: January 10, 2007, 04:10:57 AM »
A lot of readers seem to think differently on this. Also, I wonder how much money people pay for GW products on ebay? Would be interesting to find out.
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Re: GW not doing so well?
« Reply #12 on: January 10, 2007, 05:43:28 AM »
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A lot of readers seem to think differently on this. Also, I wonder how much money people pay for GW products on ebay? Would be interesting to find out.

As a personal rule, I never pay more than 80% of the GW price on eBay, even if the models are new and still sealed in their box. That's including postage to Sweden, since 99% of my purchases are from the States or the UK. Since I only buy small lots, about 40-50% (on average) of the price I pay consists of postage, so I often get brand new models for  less than half the GW price. I never buy anything except bit parts for conversions directly from GW.


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Re: GW not doing so well?
« Reply #13 on: January 10, 2007, 06:58:04 AM »
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BUT, they themselves then said they know what's wrong, "bad habits etc"
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Re: GW not doing so well?
« Reply #14 on: January 10, 2007, 06:58:12 AM »
GW are generally doing just fine. They are on the level they were before LotR. They had a huge boost in sales and marketing when the movies were out, and back then, their stock was on the rise.

Now, interrest for LotR has dropped dramatically, yet GW are still obligated to keep producing LotR until 2010 I belive.

GW aren't doing bad at all, it just doesn't look very good in comparison to the LotR fever.

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Re: GW not doing so well?
« Reply #15 on: January 10, 2007, 10:57:52 AM »
GW aren't doing bad at all, it just doesn't look very good in comparison to the LotR fever.

 That's good. I just get into the hobby and see a thread about GW declining. Not a good thing.

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Re: GW not doing so well?
« Reply #16 on: January 10, 2007, 11:53:36 AM »
Just to say that although GW only made an estimated £100K profit on a turnover of some £51m, they are one of very few retailers in the UK at the moment to make a profit at all.

The UK retail market at the moment is in a very steep decline, with many companies making huge losses year on year, especially in comparison to online shopping. Although there has been a small increase in year on year sales for the UK market in the post Christmas Sales many companies are reporting no growth whatsoever.

In short, for a UK company to announce a profit at this time should not be taken lightly, even if it is only a small one.

The other thing to notice with regards to GW is that on a turnover of £51m they have a profit margin of 70%, possibly the highest of any high street retailer. The reason they are only announcing small profits is that they have invested huge sums of money into their Esatate (new stores) and their product line (new plastics, new Warhammer).

This means that they do not have to give back huge chunks of their sales profits back to their shareholders as dividends, and means that they can invest the last remaining dregs of the LOTR cash cow into creating new technologies (CAD plastic tooling) and setting up better supply chain and widen their store base. They know that they will not have the money for this when the LOTR bursts (if it hasn't already) so they are pouring all their profits into the company while they can.

In short, this means that they know they have neglected their core customers by concentrating too much on new gamers and the Lord of the Rings license, but know that this license (which they invested huge sums of money into) is about to expire. This I think means that we can look forward to a brighter future. ;D

It's just a shame that the share price has dropped by nearly 10%, as I have quite a few of the buggers!! :'(
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Re: GW not doing so well?
« Reply #17 on: January 10, 2007, 12:05:43 PM »
Several things to consider:
1. Computer Games
2. Changes in the entertainment sector as a whole
3. New gamers
4. Growth

1. After the news came out (and the 15% drop in one day) Radio4 did a discussion (much like after Airfix crumbled) on will video games kill minature gaming. And after debates with my godfather (who works with stocks and shares) the problem revolves around DoW. For all of the DoW games (to buy them all) will set you back around £120 and offer you plenty of 40k armies. Whereas its hard to collect a 40k army for less than £200. And you can mod the games to your hearts extent.
2. The entertainment sector has changed, CDs are cheaper, DVDs cost almost pittance now. In Canada you can get 3 cds for $20, and when one box of Space Marines costs $50 - its easy to see who wins. Also more rivals are appearing - SST:Evo and BF:Evo offer the basic rules free online - despite a rulebook will be released - and high quality prepainted minatures - with the rules for the squad included.
3. New gamers - from younger ages - find it hard to start. You need the army book  - £25 then to buy a vast number of models, paint, modelling tools etc - the works. That is not cheap, or quick, most people want instant videogame gratification. And the prices make many parents think a lot more than twice before buying. What do dealers do to start you off? give you free drugs.
4. Growth: in the UK at £0.6m,AUS $0.3m and the US of $0.3m - these are poor growth figures and suggest that we could even see a masive lack of gamers in future years.

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Re: GW not doing so well?
« Reply #18 on: January 10, 2007, 12:53:26 PM »
1. After the news came out (and the 15% drop in one day) Radio4 did a discussion (much like after Airfix crumbled) on will video games kill minature gaming. And after debates with my godfather (who works with stocks and shares) the problem revolves around DoW. For all of the DoW games (to buy them all) will set you back around £120 and offer you plenty of 40k armies. Whereas its hard to collect a 40k army for less than £200. And you can mod the games to your hearts extent.
2. The entertainment sector has changed, CDs are cheaper, DVDs cost almost pittance now. In Canada you can get 3 cds for $20, and when one box of Space Marines costs $50 - its easy to see who wins. Also more rivals are appearing - SST:Evo and BF:Evo offer the basic rules free online - despite a rulebook will be released - and high quality prepainted minatures - with the rules for the squad included.

 However, on the flipside, (and likely rare cases) it was DoW that finally made me start up. I had planned on it for years. Never did. I got Dark Crusade and it finally flipped the switch on me, and I decided to go for it.

 It would be nice if GW would expand to my city though  :D

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Re: GW not doing so well?
« Reply #19 on: January 10, 2007, 01:18:30 PM »
Besides, a game of DoW is nothing compared to true tabletop action.

At least for me, I play Eldar, and the Eldar fo DoW are nothing at all like the tabletop Eldar. They are terribly done in DoW.

 


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