Topic: Craftworld Fun Footdar

[Morai-heg]

I want to try a fun list as my serpent/d-scythe ynnari list is too strong to be fun.

This list is about using a strong "core" made by a blob of guardians buffed by farseer, conceal warlock and avatar.
To let these guys get to their destination they will be screened by three wraithlords and three war walkers, to give my opponent other targets and to unleash a tsunami of shuriken.

While hopefully my opponent is distracted by the core, the real hammer will run the flanks: the shining spears buffed by the autarch will hunt the strongest units.
Swooping hawks and warp spiders help the spears harassing the enemy flanks while the rest of the army advance.

Any suggestion? Keep in mind that I would like to keep it fun.
Is there any way I can add harlequins (i only own a troupe, troupe master and a starweaver) without going Ynnari? And if I had to go Ynnari to use them I would have to give up the Avatar. Would then be viable to use the guardians? How would you replace the avatar?
Thanks!



+ HQ +

Autarch Skyrunner : Forceshield, Fusion Pistol, Laser Lance, Twin Shuriken Catapult

Avatar of Khaine

Farseer : 1. Guide, 2. Doom, Witchblade

Warlock : 1. Conceal/Reveal, Witchblade

+ Troops +

Guardian Defenders : 20x Guardian Defender
. Guardian Heavy Weapons Platform: Shuriken Cannon

Guardian Defenders : 15x Guardian Defender
. Guardian Heavy Weapons Platform: Shuriken Cannon

+ Fast Attack +

Shining Spears
. 4x Shining Spear: 4x Laser Lance, 4x Twin Shuriken Catapult
. Shining Spear Exarch: Star Lance, Twin Shuriken Catapult

Swooping Hawks
. 5x Swooping Hawk: 5x Lasblaster
. Swooping Hawk Exarch: Sunrifle

Warp Spiders
. 5x Warp Spider: 5x Death Spinner
. Warp Spider Exarch: Two Death Spinners

+ Heavy Support +

War Walkers
. War Walker: Shuriken Cannon, Shuriken Cannon
. War Walker: Shuriken Cannon, Shuriken Cannon
. War Walker: Shuriken Cannon, Shuriken Cannon

Wraithlord : Flamer, Flamer, 2x Shuriken Cannon

Wraithlord : Flamer, Flamer, 2x Shuriken Cannon

Wraithlord : Flamer, Flamer, 2x Shuriken Cannon

++ Total: [115 PL, 1998pts] ++

[Blazinghand]

Currently it looks like you're running two detachments, 1 spearhead and one outrider. you could split one of the Guardians squads into two and run one spearhead one outrider and one battalion with no changes to your models on the board. This would give you an additional 3 command points.

[Tweedz]

Mmmmm i love me some footdar. I, personally, would say don't go Ynnari and keep the Avatar. He is a beast.


I do think you need a little more ranged AT. The war walkers would be the ideal candidates imo, if you could manage the points to upgrade them all to dual BLs. Once the Avatar reaches the enemy tanks, he will kill whatever the walkers didn't.

Also, I like Blazinghand's suggestion to make this 1 battalion, outrider, and vanguard detachment.

[Morai-heg]

I made a few tweaks, I received your suggestions about the troops and the long range anti tank. I removed two wraithlords and the autarch, swapped the farseer for a jetseer and added 9 scorpions, increased the fast attack squads sizes, and changed the shuricannons on WL and WW to AML.
I like AML more than the brightlance due to its versatility, do you think I should consider brightlances?


+ HQ +

Avatar of Khaine

Farseer Skyrunner : 1. Guide, 2. Doom, Singing Spear, Twin Shuriken Catapult

+ Troops +

Guardian Defenders : 10x Guardian Defender
. Guardian Heavy Weapons Platform: Shuriken Cannon

Guardian Defenders : 10x Guardian Defender
. Guardian Heavy Weapons Platform: Shuriken Cannon

Guardian Defenders : 10x Guardian Defender
. Guardian Heavy Weapons Platform: Shuriken Cannon

+ Elites +

Striking Scorpions
. 8x Striking Scorpion: 8x Scorpion Chainsword
. Striking Scorpion Exarch: Chainsabres

+ Fast Attack +

Shining Spears
. 6x Shining Spear: 6x Laser Lance, 6x Twin Shuriken Catapult
. Shining Spear Exarch: Star Lance, Twin Shuriken Catapult

Swooping Hawks
. 6x Swooping Hawk: 6x Lasblaster
. Swooping Hawk Exarch: Sunrifle

Warp Spiders
. 6x Warp Spider: 6x Death Spinner
. Warp Spider Exarch: Two Death Spinners

+ Heavy Support +

War Walkers
. War Walker: Aeldari Missile Launcher, Aeldari Missile Launcher

War Walkers
. War Walker: Aeldari Missile Launcher, Aeldari Missile Launcher

War Walkers
. War Walker: Aeldari Missile Launcher, Aeldari Missile Launcher

Wraithlord : 2x Aeldari Missile Launcher, Flamer, Flamer

++ Total: [107 PL, 1997pts] ++

[SeekingOne]

I want to try a fun list as my serpent/d-scythe ynnari list is too strong to be fun.

Well, both lists are definitely weak enough to not feel OP vs any opposition
I like the second one more, because it looks much more like a "proper army" to me, whereas the first one is way too heavy on HQ choices.

IMO Lances are hands down better than AMLs, especially since you don't have any other proper AT units like Reapers or Dragons. Putting a Farseer on a jetbike is pointless, especially in an all-foot list like this.

[Morai-heg]

Why is that? The jetseer will run with the spears.

Anyway I made another change and now I swapped warp spiders with harlequins on starweaver, and swapped AML with BL.

Of course this list won't have a chance in a tournament, but I played with my Ynnari list, all reapers, serpents and d-scythes wgs, and I always tabled my opponent. It's fun do it a few times, we all love to win. But it gets boring.

[SeekingOne]

Why is that? The jetseer will run with the spears.

This sounds like a previous edition(s) mentality to me. I'm saying this because I had to apply some conscious mental effort to overcome this sort of thinking myself. Thing is that now, unlike it was in older editions, a character doesn't need to be with a unit to be protected. In fact, in most situations it proves more efficient to keep a character further away from main combat, because this way the number of friendly units that would qualify as "closer targets" will be greater. In other words, it often happens so that a character is safer being further away from frontline friendly units than being close to them. Also, the range of Farseer's powers is good enough to reach anything even on foot, and you definitely do not want to have him anywhere near close combat anyway.

Anyway I made another change and now I swapped warp spiders with harlequins on starweaver, and swapped AML with BL.

What else did you drop? 1 unit of Spiders is not enough to buy a Troupe and a Starweaver. Anyway, Harlequins are great, and will likely be much more efficient than Spiders.

Of course this list won't have a chance in a tournament, but I played with my Ynnari list, all reapers, serpents and d-scythes wgs, and I always tabled my opponent. It's fun do it a few times, we all love to win. But it gets boring.

I know, I did take part in discussing your previous list. BTW, did you try fielding your previous list as plain CWE rather than Ynnari, as it was suggested?

[Morai-heg]

I didn't, the list was made for Ynnari, I preferred to make another one altogether.
You have a point in what you say about the seer, anyway.
Meanwhile though, I made other changes and I might try to go Ynnari again still on foot, still fun, but a little more survivable.

The "core" is made by wraithlords and walkers, backed by eight wguards with cannons, a farseer and yvraine. This should pose a real threat.

The eight spears and the harlequins will then hopefully be more free to hunt the flanks while the hawks will jump around with a ton of shots (doom should help).

+ HQ +

Farseer : 1. Guide, 2. Doom, Witchblade

Yvraine : Ancestors' Grace, Word of the Phoenix

+ Troops +

Troupe
5x Player: Harlequin's Embrace, Shuriken Pistol

+ Elites +

Wraithguard : Wraithcannon, 8x Wraithguard

+ Fast Attack +

Shining Spears
. 3x Shining Spear: 3x Laser Lance, 3x Twin Shuriken Catapult
. Shining Spear Exarch: Star Lance, Twin Shuriken Catapult

Shining Spears
. 3x Shining Spear: 3x Laser Lance, 3x Twin Shuriken Catapult
. Shining Spear Exarch: Star Lance, Twin Shuriken Catapult

Swooping Hawks
. 9x Swooping Hawk: 9x Lasblaster
. Swooping Hawk Exarch: Hawk's Talon

+ Heavy Support +

War Walkers
. War Walker: Bright Lance, Bright Lance

War Walkers
. War Walker: Bright Lance, Bright Lance

War Walkers
. War Walker: Bright Lance, Bright Lance

Wraithlord : 2x Shuriken Cannon, Shuriken Catapult, Shuriken Catapult

Wraithlord : 2x Shuriken Cannon, Shuriken Catapult, Shuriken Catapult

Wraithlord : 2x Shuriken Cannon, Shuriken Catapult, Shuriken Catapult

+ Dedicated Transport +

Starweaver: 2x Shuriken Cannon

++ Total: [120 PL, 1997pts] ++