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QuoteMy attempt at this... Dragon Ogres? - Possibly dropped. On the one hand, they are thought not to 'fit' with the new Beasts 'feel'. On the other, plastic Dragon Ogres are also rumoured.Dragon Ogre Shaggoth? - Possibly dropped. Even less likely than the Dragon Ogres. Good attempt .... (very well organised. You get the job. ) I still think Dragon Ogres are dropped from the beast book. (for reasons I have already explained).I think the rumoured Dragon Ogres minis are an early sighting of a later release for another army. I think the Shaggoth will be dropped as a rare choice but they will find a place for it in the list as a character just because the model is so awesome and clearly matches the look of the Gors and centigors so well.
My attempt at this... Dragon Ogres? - Possibly dropped. On the one hand, they are thought not to 'fit' with the new Beasts 'feel'. On the other, plastic Dragon Ogres are also rumoured.Dragon Ogre Shaggoth? - Possibly dropped. Even less likely than the Dragon Ogres.
Not sure if already posted but I found this off warhammer forums."Beastmen due out at the start of March. *** Herds/Ungors are still mixed and rank up 5 wide. Champions no longer confer a +1 LD bonus - however the majority of beast units and characters have went up 1 in LD. *** Ambush is still available to the herds.*** Minotaur lords are still available and have access to Beast mutations. Makes minotaurs core.*** Chariots are now special choices but 2 for 1.*** Centigors are core and fast cav however you still need to take gors/ungors/bestigors to fill up your core slots.*** Gorgon is the new monster in the Rare spots. *** Centigor Hero available*** Beastlords with LD9"cheers.
Provisional rundown on the upcoming releases for Beastmen - I'm a little pushed for time right now - will try and get specifics later...Doombull (Metal Box) - TBDGrulgor* (Metal Box) - TBDGors (Plastic Box) - TBDUngors (Plastic Box) - TBDBestigors (Plastic Box) - 32,50 € Minotaurs (Plastic Box) - 35,00 € And the Chariot got a new product code, though that may not necessarily mean it's getting a new model.*New unit name may be different in English... perhaps the pie man can confirm for us?
Right, well it seems GW have changed the product code prefix for the whole Beastmen range (I had been wondering for a while now what these new prefix items were) which makes things slightly messier. There's no problem with the plastic kits:Gors (Plastic Box) - £15.00 / US?? / 19,50 € / Oz$41.00Ungors (Plastic Box) - £15.00 / US?? / 19,50 € / Oz$41.00Bestigors (Plastic Box) - £25.00 / US?? / 32,50 € / Oz$69.00Minotaurs (Plastic Box) - £27.00 / US?? / 35,00 € / Oz$74.00But the metal box codes are a bit muddied by the multitude of new codes for existing metal products that aren't actually going to to be getting new kits. I have three metal products that are "new", I'm pretty certain the first two are Doombull and Grulgor respectively, and I get the feeling that the £35 box is just the existing Centigors. So I'll just leave these unassigned for the moment until I can get a confirmation on what is actually new and what has just been given a new product code:(Metal Box) - £15.00 / US$25.00 / 22,50 € / Oz$44.00(Metal Box) - £25.00 / US$41.25 / 32,50 € / Oz$69.00(Metal Box) - £35.00 / US$57.75 / 50,00 € / Oz$96.00
(Plastic Box) £55.00 / US$??.?? / 70,00 € / Oz$144.00
Scryer in the Darkness says:Doombull (Metal Box) - TBDGrulgor* (Metal Box) - TBDGors (Plastic Box) - TBDUngors (Plastic Box) - TBDBestigors (Plastic Box) - 32,50 €Minotaurs (Plastic Box) - 35,00 €And the Chariot got a new product code, though that may not necessarily mean it's getting a new model.Gors (Plastic Box) - £15.00 / US?? / 19,50 € / Oz$41.00Ungors (Plastic Box) - £15.00 / US?? / 19,50 € / Oz$41.00Bestigors (Plastic Box) - £25.00 / US?? / 32,50 € / Oz$69.00Minotaurs (Plastic Box) - £27.00 / US?? / 35,00 € / Oz$74.00But the metal box codes are a bit muddied by the multitude of new codes for existing metal products that aren't actually going to to be getting new kits. I have three metal products that are "new", I'm pretty certain the first two are Doombull and Grulgor respectively, and I get the feeling that the £35 box is just the existing Centigors. So I'll just leave these unassigned for the moment until I can get a confirmation on what is actually new and what has just been given a new product code:(Metal Box) - £15.00 / US$25.00 / 22,50 € / Oz$44.00(Metal Box) - £25.00 / US$41.25 / 32,50 € / Oz$69.00(Metal Box) - £35.00 / US$57.75 / 50,00 € / Oz$96.00and Grimgorironhide adds:"Not sure if already posted but I found this off warhammer forums."Beastmen due out at the start of March.*** Herds/Ungors are still mixed and rank up 5 wide. Champions no longer confer a +1 LD bonus - however the majority of beast units and characters have went up 1 in LD.*** Ambush is still available to the herds.*** Minotaur lords are still available and have access to Beast mutations. Makes minotaurs core.*** Chariots are now special choices but 2 for 1.*** Centigors are core and fast cav however you still need to take gors/ungors/bestigors to fill up your core slots.*** Gorgon is the new monster in the Rare spots.*** Centigor Hero available*** Beastlords with LD9"The width issue is a no brainer to be fixed, I think we can take that as a given. I have also heard talk about different "breeds" of warhounds perhaps being available... I'm guessing this might be as simple as buying them poisoned attacks/regeneration/clown shoes and red noses etc etc.I gather the roles of the Shaman and the Minotaurs will be expanded upon in this release.. makes sense and is, again, a kind of retrotastic move by GW back towards the RoC era fluff."
Details are unclear as to exactly when this will be out, but all signs point to them being the next army out after Skaven, and supposedly not until 2010. It is being written by Andy Hoare.As with the two previous Chaos books it will be stand-alone in that you can't use things from the Warriors of Chaos and Daemons of Chaos books, but there will be a degree of overlap in that the same units (though not necessary with the exact same rules) will appear in multiple books. This is similar to how Warhounds were in both the old Hordes of Chaos books and the current Beasts of Chaos books, but has the Ambush rule in the beast books.It is not know which units will be shared with the other books (some rumours say many, some say only a few), but obvious contenders are the things that appear in the current Beasts book (Warhounds, Ogres, Trolls, Dragon Ogres, Shaggoth, Spawn, Giant).New modelsThe following models are being withdrawn at the moment, which suggests that they might get resculpted or repackaged:- Bestigor (and variants)- Minotaurs- Centigor- Chaos Ogres- Dragon Ogres- Chaos TrollsNote that these units might not all be appearing in the listIf it is true that the number of crossover units between this army and the Warriors of Chaos one will be quite low, there will necessarily have to be some new ones added in to compensate.The list as it is looking at the moment:LordsBeastlordGreat Bray-ShamanDoombullDaemon Prince(?)HeroesWargorBray-ShamanCoreBeast HerdsBestigor- apparently coming in plasticWarhoundsSpecialCentigorTuskgor Chariots- almost certainly 1 per SpecialMinotaurs- apparently coming in plastic- might be the only "big guy" infantry in the list- it is not known if they can be taken as Core with a Doombull generalOgres(?)- might be dropped from the listChaos Trolls(?)- might be dropped from the listDragon Ogres(?)- in his Warriors of Chaos designer's notes, Phil Kelly suggested that Dragon Ogres fit better in a WoC army than a Beasts of Chaos army, which might imply that they are droppedHarpies- presumably as in the Dark Elf bookRareGiantShaggoth(?)- in his Warriors of Chaos designer's notes, Phil Kelly suggested that Shaggoths fit better in a WoC army than a Beasts of Chaos army, which might imply that they are droppedSpawn- presumably as in the Warriors of Chaos bookGorgon- back in 5th edition this was a human-sized monster with a nasty ranged attack, similar to a Banshee- other view has it as a quadrupedal, bull-like creature that breathes fire
My attempt at this after the dismal failure of the last one, based off the Tyranid summary template.It is not my intention to imply that only these rumours may be discussed, only that these are the ones I have determined to be strong enough to put in a summary (and have actually read).People should feel free to post and discuss anything that they hear, regardless of the source, but the Summary will only ever include those rumours which I feel deserve to be here.General infoRelease is February 2010, after Tyranids, with advance orders starting January 4th.Was to be written by Andy Hoare, but he has since quit Games Workshop.RulesArmy-wide Special Rules and Magic ItemsAmbush is supposedly staying much the same, though it has been suggested that it will no longer be dependant on the General.No news on Unruly.Alongside Magic Items, "Mutations" will be available in the same way as WoC Gifts or Vampire Powers, operating on the same budgetary lines. Bonuses, like Scaly Skin, extra Strength and Movement are expected, as well as more esoteric abilities like Breath Weapons. Multiples of the same Mutation are expected to be allowed.Marks are no longer limited throughout the army. No news on their exact rules, though they are assumed to be similar to, if not the same as, the WoC marks.*Note, army-list slots are representative only until more solid rumours appear*Lords & HeroesBeastlord/Wargor – Ld 9, T5, with appropriate price hikes. May take Chaos Armour. May be accompanied by a 'pet' US3 Beast Spawn.Great Bray-Shaman/Bray-Shaman – May be able to take a Herdstone, in the same manner as an Anvil/Casket. Beast Spawn as above.Doombull– A metal box set release is confirmed; it is assumed that the Doombull will still allow Minotaurs as Core.Centigor Hero - Aside from the Centigor Special Character, it has been rumoured that there will be a Centigor character available as a standard Hero choice. However, this may be a mutation rather than a seperate choice.Daemon Prince? - Believed to still be in the list, though different to the WoC incarnation.CoreBeast Herds - No new models are expected, though Gors and Ungors are to be split into two seperate Plastic Boxes. Ranking issues to be fixed. Supposedly the champion will no longer provide +1Ld. Some sort of Scout option is believed to be available.Bestigor Herds – New Plastic Models.Warhounds - Varieties of Warhounds allowed through upgrades - Hunting, Guarding, etc.Centigor? – Rumoured to be moved to Core. Fast Cavalry. Supposedly armour options will be available.SpecialTuskgor Chariots – Unclear as of yet if it is 2-4-1 or one per slot.Minotaurs – New plastic models. Believed to still be Core with Doombull.Dragon Ogres? - Possibly dropped. On the one hand, they are thought not to 'fit' with the new Beasts 'feel'. On the other, plastic Dragon Ogres are also rumoured.Chaos Trolls? - Very possibly dropped.Harpies/Gargoyles/Gorgoyles - Flying infantry, replacing Furies.RareChaos Giant – As in WoC book.Spawn – Assumed to be in WoC book. Possibility of slight changes.Gorgon – A new monster. Supposedly on a chariot-base, with Movement 8 and stats in the 5s, with Impact Hits and a Breathweapon. Model is probable, but unconfirmed.Dragon Ogre Shaggoth? - Possibly dropped. Even less likely to appear than the Dragon Ogres.Herdstone/Dark Heart? – In the same vein as a Corpse Cart, Warshrine, and Screaming Bell, a Herdstone with the ability to buff nearby units might be expected. However, it may be an upgrade/"mount" for the Bray-Shaman. A "giant evil tree/corrupt treeman" has been suggested, "dark heart of the forest" style.Special CharactersAll the Special Characters from the last book are believed to in this one. New ones talked about include:- A Daemon Prince. May have Bloodthirster-level stats. Possibly Nurgle/Slaanesh marked.- A Minotaur character dragging a Herdstone (as seen in the Rare and Bray-Shaman entries). May be a Champion upgrade.- A Foe-Render character with the +1Ld of the old book, among other things.- The Thing From The Woods, a giant Warhound/Spawn from Mordheim.- A Centigor character with special Drunken rules and a magical Great Weapon.- A Tzeentchian Bray-Shaman with a raven's head.Models and Army BookNo pics yet. Work by Aly Morrison and Mark Harrison. Releases rumoured are:- Beastlord and Bray-Shaman* Plastic Bestigor Box. Ten models, £25. CONFIRMED* Plastic Minotaur Box, sculpted by Mark Harrison. Unknown number of models (4 seems likely), £27. CONFIRMED* Metal Doombull Box, sculpted by Mark Harrison. One model, £25. CONFIRMED* Metal "Grulgor" Box, at £15. Unknown number of models or content.* Ungors and Gors are being split up into seperate plastic boxes. Whether or not this heralds a shift in the army list is unknown.* The Tuskgor Chariot is receiving a new product code as a metal box at £18. This doesn't mean it's receiving a new model.* The same applies to Centigors, who are now a metal box at £35.- Gorgon Model, likely plastic considering recent "monstrous" releases.- Presumably new Special Characters in metal.- Plastic Dragon Ogres are heavily rumoured for release, though as part of a second wave for Warriors of Chaos.Other ThoughtsIt seems strange that, after all the new units of recent books (Warshrine & Forsaken / Razordon & Engine / Corpse Cart & Blood Knights & Varghulf / Doomwheel & Verminlord & Abomination & Plague Furnace & Mortar & so on) Beasts of Chaos, an army list that's lost quite a bit in the Chaos Split, would only gain the new Gorgon and maybe Harpies/Gargoyles. I, for one, expect a few more shiny new units to be popping their heads from between the dark trees of the rumour-forest as the release date draws closer.* Such as the "Grulgor" (german name), being released in a metal box set. It's unknown if this name (translating as "Horror Gor") refers to a new unit of Forsaken-style Spawngor, to an existing rumoured unit, or to something else entirely.
Bestigor are priced in a/the same manner as Golds...err Greatswords, are indeed 10 per box. Placcy minotaurs are 3 to a box, lots of options including 2 handed weapons and shields as well. Razorgor is gakker than you'd believe possible, modelwise anyway.
I'm sorry, "gakker"? Any ideas on what this means?
There is a new option for arming your ungors. I shall not go into it though as I don't want to spoil all the fun, speculate away
Gors are/will be a ranked Core unit, by themselves.Ungors are still skirmishers. [I have no idea concerning weapons, such as the speculated bows, etc]You can also take a skirmishing Gor and Ungor unit (much like the Krox-led-Skink units), as Core.Skirmishing units can infiltrate. [as stated]One last bit:I overheard that the Beastmen army will be "very flexible." Now, is that a description of the armylist or some underlying thought as to how the final army will play like? I lean toward the possibility of several 'new' unit types in the armylist (in the Core, Special and Rare slots), and by this is what is meant that the army will be very flexible. A watered down "brown Orc" armylist I don't see and can't imagine.The book is already written. [is it on its way to the printers? Your guess as good as mine, but I would assume that the final touches are done already.]From several sources. A small "confirmation" if you like.
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